elbows_and_knees Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 back fists are stronger and can knock some one out a lot easier then a wimpy jabNo, they are not. the snapping backfist is rather weak. A slower, non-whipping backfist is extremely telegraphic and not necessarily as strong. A spinning backfist would be stronger, but is telegraphic nonetheless. you are sacrificing a little extra power for efficiency. Notice how many KOs are caused with a cross and how few you see from a spinning backfist? there is a reason.How many have you EVER seen caused by a snapping backfist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragn Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I used to do alot of back fists when I was doing traditional styles. I thought it was more powerfull than the jab. But that was just because I didnt really know how to throw a good solid jab, using footwork, hip and shoulder, to really get behind it. Now that I do, I dont even consider using a backfist. I feel it pales in comparrison. At least from a boxers perspective anyway.But for some arts the backfist is an important part of the styles way of moving, countering etc. It just fits well with the styles flow. So which is faster or more powerfull becomes irrelevant.Different strokes for different folks. "Today is a good day to die"Live each day as if it were your last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbows_and_knees Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 back fists are stronger and can knock some one out a lot easier then a wimpy jabwatch sonny liston box. he was known for a good, hard jab, as are other boxers. It's sometimes called a shotgun jab. I won my first ring fight from a KO off of a jab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 We use both. Jab is definately more powerful! The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhenom Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 ooo i thought you meant spinning back fist....is a regular backfist similar to a jab not getting your hips in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 ooo i thought you meant spinning back fist....is a regular backfist similar to a jab not getting your hips in it?You may not be able to get your hips into a jab, but you can definitely get some bodyweight into one. I have always felt that the lead, snapping backfist just moved from the elbow with a flick. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 You can put your hips into a jab. Take for example a right jab... In right stance, start with your hips square. Then, as you throw your punch, rotate the hips to 45 degrees. BUT, instead of pivoting in the centre of your body like you normally would, make the pivot point your left hip so that you pivot into the punch, not on the spot. The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 PS - this is an unconventional way of doing the technique. It is not the way I was orginally taught the technique, but one that I have since proven to be more powerful than the traditional method (for me at least) The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushido_man96 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 You can put your hips into a jab. Take for example a right jab... In right stance, start with your hips square. Then, as you throw your punch, rotate the hips to 45 degrees. BUT, instead of pivoting in the centre of your body like you normally would, make the pivot point your left hip so that you pivot into the punch, not on the spot.Thanks, Jiffy. I was kind of going over the technique in my head, and I thought the hips could go into it, but not to the extent of the cross. Therefore, I erred on the side of caution.I guess even when I do a quick jab, I still jut my lead hip forward, into the technique a little. I do the same with the backfist, but the backfist goes sideways, but my hip goes forward. The motions seem to be counter-productive to each other, as near as I can tell. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little kicker Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 i think id go for jab then backfist less chance of them seeing it coming i think speedagressionsurprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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