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[ps1]

Are you just starting it in the armbar position? You have to be starting from somewhere. Are you throwing and then sitting into it? I only ask because much of what happens at the end of a technique is based on what you do at the beginning.

[ShotokanKid]

Hello everyone, I got it down.

You can also use your hip bone not you groin as the fulcrum

I didn't really realize that

Thanks for all the instruction, I pulled this on one of my friends, who is also my grappling training partner.

Anyway, thanks again, I got it down.

Now I've got another problem. When I try to do this somethimes my partner clasps his hands and I get get the arm back. Should I keep trying to pull on it or should I give up on the armbar?

My other question is, if I abandon my attempt to armbar him, what is the best position to move from if I have my legs across and I'm holding his arm? SHould I try to go back to mount or what should I do?

[UseoForce]

Hello everyone, I got it down.

You can also use your hip bone not you groin as the fulcrum

I didn't really realize that

Thanks for all the instruction, I pulled this on one of my friends, who is also my grappling training partner.

Anyway, thanks again, I got it down.

Now I've got another problem. When I try to do this somethimes my partner clasps his hands and I get get the arm back. Should I keep trying to pull on it or should I give up on the armbar?

My other question is, if I abandon my attempt to armbar him, what is the best position to move from if I have my legs across and I'm holding his arm? SHould I try to go back to mount or what should I do?

There are many counters to the opponent clasping his hands. One, used your foot (NOT the one over his head, the other one) to break his grip. Or, rotate the bony part of yourforearm into the fleshy part of his arm. It's called a short armbar and it really hurts. I know about a half-dozen counters and if you need more PM me cause I'm short I'm time now.

The other part of your question is hard to answer. It all depends on the relative positions of your weight to his.

[ps1]

Another good way to get him to release his grip is to place both of your legs over his grip and stretch. This usually works.

If you want to abandon the armbar, here's a good combo. Take the leg not over the head and slide it under his arms (against the chest of your opponent. Next, remove the leg that's over the head of the opponent and lay to your back. As the opponent comes up you will see that you have set up the triangle. From that point you can easily transition back to armbar or to omaplata and so on.

Usually though...the best bet is to get the opponent to release the grip. You're in such a dominant position with the armbar that it would be a shame to give it up. Releasing is the last option.

[pittbullJudoka]

Another counter to clasped hands.Slide you fore arm upinto the bend of you opponant's arm that yo're trying to bar.Figure 4 your legs over the arm and rotate you fore arm as if picking the arm up to your chest.By the way use both hands attempting this.this is very painful to your opponant if done properly it compresses their forearm.

[UseoForce]

Another counter to clasped hands.Slide you fore arm upinto the bend of you opponant's arm that yo're trying to bar.Figure 4 your legs over the arm and rotate you fore arm as if picking the arm up to your chest.By the way use both hands attempting this.this is very painful to your opponant if done properly it compresses their forearm.

I think I saw saw Tony Cecchine do this on a DVD, but I couldn't really tell what was happening. Now I know.

[pittbullJudoka]

At the dojo were I train I'm the smallest guy.I've had to come up with techinques that give me the edge over my bigger training partners.I works very well for me.You do what you got to do when you're giving up 30 to 70 pounds.

[AndrewGreen]

Squeeze your feet towards you, get under him so that his shoulder is up, squeeze your knees together and go slightly pigeon toed. To apply hold the arm to your chest and slowly push your hips through. Do not use your groin as a folcrum and pull down...

Anyways, here is a simple and effective solution to grabbing the hands together.

http://innovativema.ca/forum/view.php?pg=armbarbicep

You can also slide your foot on his hips side through his arms and let him sit into a triangle, or break the

grip and finish the arm bar.

"Another good way to get him to release his grip is to place both of your legs over his grip and stretch. This usually works. "

Be careful with this if I am visuallizing what you are saying correctly, by moving your legs out of place you do open up some escape routes for him.

Grip can be broke without forcing it, just have to look at how they are grabbing and attack the weak spots.

[FunSPE]

Now I've got another problem. When I try to do this somethimes my partner clasps his hands and I get get the arm back. Should I keep trying to pull on it or should I give up on the armbar?

My other question is, if I abandon my attempt to armbar him, what is the best position to move from if I have my legs across and I'm holding his arm? SHould I try to go back to mount or what should I do?

Plenty of people here have contributed good advice so sorry if there is some repeat. Allow me to just give my two cents. If you are crushing your groin then first of all, you are not staying tight on your set up. As someone said, keep your butt really close to them. This will allow the elbow joint to be centered around your pelvis and not your groin. Also, when controlling their arm, keep their thumb pointed to the ceiling, this will further expose the elbow joint. Some people like to grab the wrist with both of their hands. This is ok, it works fine, but lately I have been pinning the blade of my wrist to their wrist (as I keep that elbow tight). This keeps their wrist pinned to my chest and its difficult for them to escape. They key to keeping everything tight is to have everything tight from the initial set up. This is absolutely paramount.

Now if they clasp their hands together, there are a TON of counters. Some people have mentioned the Bicep Lock. That is a great counter. One word of advice, when they are clasping their hands together, dont pull straight back. This will only work if you are stronger than your opponent. Instead, keep one arm treaded under the bend of their elbow. I like to grab my own gi lapel (or my own shoulder if no gi) to make it tighter. Then, I slide down to their wrist and I lay back in a circle. This makes it harder for them to hold on. Another option is to kick their far bicep away. Another great counter is to slide across their belt to the opposite side and take the arm bar on their other arm. Another one I used is to slide my legs into the triangle position and finish with either the choke or the arm lock. Im leaving out other details but maybe this will give you some more ideas.

If I ever decide to abandon the armbar, my first strategy is to get back to Mount and set it up again. As a secondary tactic, I will sometimes go back to cross body so that I can set up my knee ride or Mount again. Hope this helps

Robert Soliz