Judo compared to BJJ

[elfordo]

G'day fellas, i train in kyokushin there is basically no grappling ground work in it.

I want to learn a grappling art to give me a make me a more well rounded martial artist.

I have seen BJJ in action it is awesome, but i have also seen judo in action and that is awesome aswell.

To me it looks like BJJ is basically always on the ground and judo can throw em and fight em on the ground.

In my area there is a BJJ place and a judo place, the judo place is taught by a russian olympic competetor and olympic coach, and the bjj is taught by a break off from the machado's.

Which in your eyes is a more well rounded art, my opinion right now is headed towards judo but i would like to hear your opinions.

Thankyou

[Ottman]

Well, I'm not an expert in Judo information at all, but from what I've been told and read and heard, it seems that Judo was developed from Ju Jitsu as more of a defensive, competition style of the art. I know that Ju Jitsu focuses on the groundwork first and foremost, so you probably won't learn any standing throws in Ju Jitsu until you've reached the upper ranks (Level 4 or 5 and beyond which, in my BJJ class, is Purple belt and up.) Judo, on the other hand, (again, from what I hear) is almost reversed from BJJ. You will concentrate on throws from a standing position, while groundfighting will be secondary, and won't come until you advanced a few ranks. They both seem to teach both throws and groundfighting, but at different times and with a different emphasis. BJJ (or any style of JJ) seems to be more about submissions and combat, while Judo seems to be more about defense and competition. I'm sure others will have better info, but here's something to start with.

If you haven't already, I'd go to each school and watch a class or two, talk to the instructor about what you have in mind for your own training, and see if you can take some sample classes to figure out which style is best for you.

Good Luck!

[SubGrappler]

G'day fellas, i train in kyokushin there is basically no grappling ground work in it.

I want to learn a grappling art to give me a make me a more well rounded martial artist.

I have seen BJJ in action it is awesome, but i have also seen judo in action and that is awesome aswell.

To me it looks like BJJ is basically always on the ground and judo can throw em and fight em on the ground.

In my area there is a BJJ place and a judo place, the judo place is taught by a russian olympic competetor and olympic coach, and the bjj is taught by a break off from the machado's.

Which in your eyes is a more well rounded art, my opinion right now is headed towards judo but i would like to hear your opinions.

Thankyou

Its hard to say- you have the opportunity to train with a quality Judo instructor- you have to weigh his credentials vs the credentials of the BJJ school- just because its a Machado affiliate does not mean that Jean Jaques Machado is going to be teaching the class.

Its often said that Judo employs more standup while BJJ employs more groundwork, but this is an overall generalization of the two styles- its very possible to find yourself a BJJ instructor who has excellent takedowns (perhaps he has lots of wrestling experience) and you can very well find a Judoka who happens to be a ne waze (groundfighting) specialist.

Most Judo schools will train according to Judo rules, which will limit your ground fighting and focus primarily on your standup game- almost to the neglect of your ground game.

Most BJJ schools will train according to BJJ rules in which starting off the feet isnt a big deal since you can always pull guard- you'll often start off your knees in a BJJ class as the focus is on developing your ground game. In comparison though, your average BJJ class neglects standup much more so than Judo neglects groundwork (and Judo only "neglects" groundwork when compared to BJJ). With the introduction of tournaments such as Abu Dhabi however, standup work is becoming incorporated more and more into your regular BJJ class.

Go to both and weigh what it is that you're looking for and ask as many questions as you can.

[UseoForce]

Try both. Judo and BJJ are both great arts. Your enjoyment will have more to do with the individual instructor than the art itself.

[BJJ is 1]

Yeah, both are great I'm a lucky guy who gets to train with black belts in both arts. The way my good friend Tulio who is a Black belt in judo and a brown belt in bjj explaind judo is that it focuses on the throws more and on the gound you have cannot be on your back for more than 30 seconds, but there are submissions like BJJ.

In BJJ however we focus on the ground more, but you also score points for the takedown, and you will learn throws on all leavels in bjj, you use judo throws as well as wrestling style takedowns

[ravenzoom]

Great post subgrappler, I think you cannot have a better explanation to your question. Got to both clubs and see how they do things. Only then will you know which one you prefer.

[Doublelegtakedown]

yeah nice post sub grappler. I was considering which one i should do. i already have wrestling experience so i decided that learning bjj focusing mostly on the ground one be cooler to learn all the subs. (i also didn't want to get thrown around alot)

[bushido_man96]

If the judo school is focused on Olympic training, then what they teach may be limited to what scores in tournament play, whereas the BJJ schools are almost always training towards MMA fighting venues.

If you are looking to be more well-rounded, in this instance, BJJ may be the way to go. But, check out both schools, just to see which will offer what you like.

Good luck in your training.

[mmljpp]

Judo is more about takedowns where BJJ is actually fighting on the ground

[ShoriKid]

I'd lean more toward the Judo if I were you. Not to slight the BJJ class, but your given the chance to train with an Olympian, who, if he can coach at all, will have a world of ability to offer you. The BJJ instructor could be anything from a brown belt on up, with varying degrees of experience. Again, they could or could not be a good instructor.

I'm also keeping in mind that Judo was the style from which BJJ was derived. The ground techniques are there, they just have a different philosophy in there teaching. Many people I've seen writing refer to BJJ's ground work to a more pre-War judo than what the Olympics have. The submissions that Olympic Judo pulls are going to be quick. With the time limit on the ground, most judo players won't spend too much time fishing for a sub that isn't really there. But, they will 'see' things developing during a thrown and flow right into them on the ground. And, you can always go by and check out the Judo class, and ask the instructor and the senior students how much time, when(rank and training night wise) they work on the ground.

BJJ will have a lot of ground focus, as is expected. The physical chess game of setting up submissions by exposing certain things is the equivalent of fienting to get an opening will be taught. All sorts of escapes, sweeps, reversals etc will be in your bag of tricks if you stick with it. A lot of the training will be geared toward competition. The Gracie family grumbles a lot about the loss of self defense training in their books. Submissions from odd angles and taking your time on the ground will all be factors in the training. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will be neglected in this aspect of training. On the other hand, where judo's lack of emphasis is the ground, which they cover, but not in as much depth, BJJ is weak on throws. A BJJ black belt locally was training at a traditional judo/jj school and I was there for his, I think, brown belt testing. When it came to the ground work, the sweeps, subs etc, he was smooth and had perfect technique. His throws and takedowns though, no where near as smooth. They functioned, but they didn't have the same look of intimate aquaintance his ground work did. If that makes any sense.

And lastly, after all the rambling, the reason I think Judo might better suit you. With your Kyokushin background, it would just flow better, in my opinion. You're already going to be closing the distance to a near clinch situation. You're hammering someone's body, and a natural reaction is to clinch to stop you. That's the entery to your throws. Or you can set them up with your striking, working the legs a bit to deaden them so you can more easily upset their balance. Basically, I see it as a more natural fit for what your already doing. It's agressively getting in there and taking control of someone. Just don't knee to many people in class as you lock up.

And lastly, do both. Though again, I'd start with the Judo. But, don't start either place without going in and checking them out. Talk to the instructors and the students, especially the more senior ones. See if they will let you take an introductory class to get the feel of things. Haven't met many serious instructors who wouldn't do that unless they see you as a wallet or check book with legs.