Is this a stupid question?

[UseoForce]

As grapplers, we often speak of "snapping someone's " with various bars, cranks, locks, etc.

Can anyone explain what is actually medically happening to the victim when these techniques are applied?

I understand that hyperxtension of connective tissue comes first (along with the pain) but what is the chain of events from there?

[red dawn]

do you mean when practicing with a partner or when actually preforming the breaks and locks one someone?

I'm no doctor, but along with hyperextension, alot of strain is getting put on the joints and over time can wear them out. (But i'm going to guess that takes a lot of extreme pressure on paticular joint when doing to technique.) So, always a good idea to tap out early when you feel the pressure... I'm not sure if I answered your question or not...Sorry if I was no help.

[UseoForce]

do you mean when practicing with a partner or when actually preforming the breaks and locks one someone?

I'm no doctor, but along with hyperextension, alot of strain is getting put on the joints and over time can wear them out. (But i'm going to guess that takes a lot of extreme pressure on paticular joint when doing to technique.) So, always a good idea to tap out early when you feel the pressure... I'm not sure if I answered your question or not...Sorry if I was no help.

Pressure, pain, damage, but what actually happens to what specific tissues, bones, joints, etc?

[BJJ is 1]

In arm/Knee bars the knee/elbow joints are being hyper extended. Thats the best I can do

[AndrewGreen]

Different attacks do different things. Sometimes it is breaking a bone, other times it is disslocating, or ripping tendons or ligaments.

[SubGrappler]

The joints in your body are held together by ligaments. These ligaments, along with the muscles attached to those bones, are what give you your range of motion.

For example, take the basic armbar- you dont actually break the person's arm (unless you're Frank Mir) but rather dislocate it. You hear the arm popping, which is why people believe it to be breaking. The popping is actually bursae sacs, ligaments, and muscles that are popping off the bone.

When taken well past their range of motion, the ligaments will tear and often times so will the muscles. For example, it is very common for people to tear their bicep if they were caught in an exceptionally brutal armbar. Muscle is more flexible than ligaments, however, so this doesnt always happen.

The same happens when appling shoulder/wrist locks and neck cranks (your vertebral column is connected by ligaments as well).

Locks, such as bicep and calf cutters, do exactly what the name implies- they literally crush the muscle, hence the great black and blue marks left when someone doesnt wish to tap out. These are often time exceptionally painfull, but do no real joint damage. There are exceptions, and there have been times when biceps and calve muscles have been detached by such locks because so much pressure was applied.

[UseoForce]

Thanks, that what I was looking for.

[pepto_bismol]

I would love to answer the question you posted, BUT since you posted "is this a stupid question"

I will say no it is not a stupid question

[UseoForce]

What a meaningful post...

[striking_cobra]

what an interesting question, i guess i never really cared about why the techniques worked when i was studying bjj, as long as they had my partner tapping out. nice one.