battousai16 Posted June 17, 2003 Posted June 17, 2003 "And nothing is going to change. I am proud to be a bloody conservative!" i respect your opinion, i suppose. but don't you think it's a little fishy that america went into the middle east looking for "weapons of mass destruction", only to find none and switch our aim to liberating iraq, who never asked to be liberated? "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai
wrestlingkaratechamp Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Hey I doesn't want to hear any anti-american remarks
battousai16 Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 i don't mean to say anything anti-american; i'm proud to be one. my point is that i personally disapprove of our particular stand on this issue. i think it's just an excuse to flex our military muscle. i also dissapprove of how we're treating the french by freezing them out of the UN. i think that's very childish, though i suppose i don't have all sides of the story. don't get me wrong, i don't mean to offend anyone, and i don't dissagree with all of president bush's decisions. but.... well, yeah, there's no point in repeating myself "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai
kchenault Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 President Bush is not the best president this country has ever had, I'll give you that. But I do believe he is better than the alternative. As for Iraq, I think that Bush is merely doing what Bill Clinton was too much of a coward, traitor, or both to do. Inflammatory remarks, I know, and I apologize if I offend anyone, but the truth of the matter is even Bush's father screwed up when it came to Iraq in not finishing it in the 90's. I have said this in other posts, the world wants to be us, they want what we have (FREEDOM), they definately want our money, and you can't make that happen with people like Saddam Hussein around ruining things for everyone. As for Liberating Iraq, a scared people will not act in their own best interests. I believe we should leave now, but I am not in charge in the first person, I can only vote. About the French politicians, they are a bunch of spineless wimps who have forgotten how we saved them from extinction in the last century, twice. The younger generations in the world do not remember the atrocities that can happen with dictators or get false history through that wonderful thing we call public education, so they speak from ignorance. I will step down from my soap box now. Thank you. Ken ChenaultTFT - It does a body good!
mArTiAl_GiRl Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 I don't hate anything or anybody, but one thing I sure hate is war. Europeans don't blame Bush and neither Iraq, but for people in Europe it is going too silly, so childish and nuts that people over here are making already jokes of Bush and Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden. So I kinda feel sorry for America and Iraq. Kill is love
battousai16 Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 martial girl seemed to describe the general consensus that i've been hearing. if the entire world wants to be us, do you really think they would all be laughing at us? not to be offensive, i just kind of find it ironic. i will say that the first bush screwed up miserably, and clinton just kind of neglected the situation, however, calling him a coward or a traitor is a little uncalled for. granted, i lost a great deal of respect for him in the end of his term (not even so much for the monica scandal, more for his pardoning people seemingly at random in his final year and blindly making agreements ), but to call him a traitor? because he didn't declare war and hide behind patriotic reasons? to say "i'm declaring war on you to remove you from office because i don't like your cruel tyranny and niether does the rest of your country", that would be one thing. although i still wouldn't agree with a war, i would be able to understand it; after all, this struggle has been going on for how long now? i can see where somebody would call for it. however, that's not what happened. "i'm declaring war on you because i think you might have weapons of mass destruction, i'm not really sure. granted, we know that korea happens to have them, but we don't really care, because they're sorta far away. we're gonna give you a week to disarm all of your weapons. and no where in writing will we offer you any protection while we are doing this, so all the other countries in the world are free to attack you". again, not to offend, that's just how i percieved it. i would have been against the war either way, but i would at least have more respect for bush as a leader had he chosen the former declaration. As for the french, bare in mind we wouldn't even have been a country today if not for them. if not for their help during the american revolution (or revolutionary war or war of independance or whatever you like to call it ), the chances of us still winning is very slim, if at all even there. to just freeze them out of the UN is like when my little sister screams at me and says " I'M NEVER TALKING TO YOU AGAIN! :evil:" as she slams the door when i say or do something that upsets her. i believe it's very childish (for her too, as she is turning 13 soon... ). especially when france is waiting for iraq to pay back a massive debt to them. to declare war would have been to through away millions of dollars. i think had the situation been different, we would have had the french support. remember, not all of the countries in the world are as well off as us, like you said, kchenault, they want our money. is it fair to say "we don't like you because you want money?" i don't know, but i'm leaning towards no, myself. just my opinions, y'all, i honestly don't mean to offend anyone, and i'm truly sorry if i did, remember, i'm still happy in america and am proud to be an american, even if i don't approve of president bush. even though he isn't our best president, he's far from our worst. i just don't agree with a lot of the decisions he's been making. "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai
kchenault Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 When I call Bill Clinton a traitor, I am talking more about selling our country out to the Chinese communists. And I do believe that he is and was a coward. It is not uncalled for as I have freedom of speech in this great country. That is the same reason you can say what you are saying. The common folk of most countries do not feel the way their politicians do. That is the sad thing about professional politicians, they never want to leave office, so in a sense, they are tyrants as well. This is strong language, I know, but I am trying to make a point. I grew up with a president who didn't take any crap from foriegn powers. Now the world has less to reckon with. Yes it was Ronald Reagan. A great American President. I guess my point is that the rest of the world tends to look to us when they want something, but only if it suits their wants and desires. If it doesn't meet their expectations, they cry foul and throw tantrums, much like your sister and my children do when they don't get their way. I also never said that I didn't like someone because they want money. The French didn't just help us out of the goodness of their hearts in the 1700's either. They wanted to give the British a bloddy nose for kicking their butts. They also had interests in America as well. They ended up settling for Canada, which is about half and half.(British and French) Long winded I know, but thanks for the debate. Ken ChenaultTFT - It does a body good!
kchenault Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Just a quick note on the U.N. I hate it. With a passion. Terrible idea, terrible organization. I wish the U.S. would withdraw from it before it is too late. Ken ChenaultTFT - It does a body good!
glingglo Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 you know it's this, "we shouldn't take any crap from other countries" that kills me. our military cannot be defeated by conventional means. it's a fact. we spend more on arms than the next 20 largest countries COMBINED. this encourages smaller countries who fear the US to pursue nuclear weapons. WE are the biggest threat to world peace. this country is an empire. we have military presence in nearly every country in the world. we support regimes that do horrible things to their people. and we have a president who lies to his own people about his reasons for going to war. all you conservatives wanted to fry clinton for lying about getting a blowjob. why aren't you more outrgaged about how you've been lied to by THIS president?! after all, people have died. close to 200 americans and many thousands of iraqis. and boy is the economy in the toilet - do you know how much this war COST?! oh - and what kind of crap did iraq give us, exactly? i'm dying to know. they had nothing to do with 9/11. NOTHING. but now, thanks to this stupid war, al-quaeda IS actively recruiting in iraq. isn't that great? we have just given a whole country full of people a reason to hate the US and join religious extremist groups. nice going... "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel..." Samuel Johnson
SaiFightsMS Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Please remember to keep the tone of the posts respectful and non-insulting in nature.
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