Wing Chun against other Chinese systems.

[dippedappe]

Wing Chun is effective in streetfights. Or so I have heard over and over again. But what about say a Shaolin style?

The Shaolin style has many more moves at their disposal than Wing Chun. And are able to keep distance too. Will Wing Chun be effective against Classic styles?

I do realise this might be a style vs style flaming post, but does it really matter?

[MenteReligieuse]

Can't say which one is best, but I studied shaolin for a few months, and I got a friend of mine who has been doing it for a few years. Now I started wing chun, and the first thing I noticed (well, maybe not the FIRST thing but you know...) is in wing chun you got a few techniques that works against a wide array of techniques, while in shaolin you got alot of techniques that work in more restricted situations (for each technique).

Now does this make wing chun better? Can't say. Wing Chun will make you improve alot faster at the beginning than Shaolin, but shaolin when trained well and for a long time can probably be as good if not better.

But like in any Style vs Style threads, it all comes down to the exponents, not the style.

[stonecrusher69]

I just wanted to mention Wing Chun is a Shoalin Art.Its roots go back to Shoalin.

[dippedappe]

Most MA styles comes from Shaolin. That doesn't make them a Shaolin style. I don't think you can say WC is a Shaolin style, but what do I know. Haven't trained it yet.

I wonder what WC have of tools. They have their Chi Sao defense techniques, their low Front kick and their Chain punching. What else?

[jedimc]

Wasn't Wing Chun developed to defeat all other chinese styles.

http://www.cheungswingchun.com/g/899/traditional-wing-chun-kung-fu.html

[stonecrusher69]

jedimic yes i heard wing chun was created to defeat the shoalin system but who knows.

[ovine king]

That is a misunderstood statement.

Wing chun was designed to be learnt and practiced more easily and more quickly, unlike the shaolin styles of the time, where time was often regarded as a virtue. Instead of taking three months to learn a form, you can learn all the forms in one. Instead of needing a largish clear area per person to practice in, you just need about 4 square metres. Instead of using large movements for momentum as a power base you look to using body structure for a power base.

That is how wing chun is designed to allow the guy practising it to be better quicker compared to a guy who has been training in an equivilant shaolin style for the same time. It isn't stricly true that it was designed to be better. It's just that it allows the people who relied on it at the time i.e the red junk/anti ching rebels, to be better quicker.

The best example would be this:

if it takes two wing chun guys, who have only trained three months to take down and kill a shaolin style practicing soldier, then even if they have died in the process, it's only a combined of 6 months of training, compared to the shaolin guy who would've typically taken longer and worked harder in his, considering the amount of hard training that was undertaken before actual training often begun.

One more thing.

chi sau isn't a defence technique; it is a training method. we don't do chi sau to defend, nor do we do chi sau when we fight so it is wrong to say it is "chi sau defence techniques"

[dippedappe]

One more thing.

chi sau isn't a defence technique; it is a training method. we don't do chi sau to defend, nor do we do chi sau when we fight so it is wrong to say it is "chi sau defence techniques"

Your moves are based on Chi Sau right? That was what I meant. You try to "stick" to the opponent as a defensive way to control him, sort of.

I have heard this. A beginner Wing Chun student (1 month's training), would beat a beginner Shaolin student. But a longtime Wing Chun student (1 years training) would loose to the longtime Shaolin student. This is hardcore generalizing with no consideration of the two individuals I know, but technically, will this be true? Is Shaolin better in a style vs style in the long run?

[Enviroman]

One more thing.

chi sau isn't a defence technique; it is a training method. we don't do chi sau to defend, nor do we do chi sau when we fight so it is wrong to say it is "chi sau defence techniques"

Your moves are based on Chi Sau right? That was what I meant. You try to "stick" to the opponent as a defensive way to control him, sort of.

I have heard this. A beginner Wing Chun student (1 month's training), would beat a beginner Shaolin student. But a longtime Wing Chun student (1 years training) would loose to the longtime Shaolin student. This is hardcore generalizing with no consideration of the two individuals I know, but technically, will this be true? Is Shaolin better in a style vs style in the long run?

I know a few shaolin students that have studied for about a year. I'd say most karate exponents that have studied for a year are better equipped in a SD situation. Most shaolin styles (from what I've seen) take many years to fully become competent.

[MenteReligieuse]

jedimic yes i heard wing chun was created to defeat the shoalin system but who knows.

untrue