VILLARIS vs USSD

[tigerclaw2]

WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VILLARIS AND USSD? Are there styles the same ? Does the villari masters go in the dojos and help teach and so on? When I was with ussd no masters ever showed up. Does villari still do the black belt testing? Are there masters clinics good?

[y2_sub]

Whats USSD ???

Whats VILLARIS ??

[ninjamac]

fred villari owns villaris self defense centers charles mattera broke off from villari in 88 their styles are some what the same, ussds forms and combos are watered down in my opinion, villaris forms and combos are not.

[tigerclaw2]

Vliiari self promoted himself to 10th degree in 1975. mattara promoted himself to 9th degree in 93. THE stlye is kempo their is no shaolin in it.

[ninjamac]

KNOW ONE KNEWS WHAT THE MATERIAL IS AFTER BLACK , BUT THE WHITE THROUGH 1ST BLACK IS KEMPO AFTER THAT WHO KNOWS WHAT IT IS?

[tigerclaw2]

True the after black stuff could be shaolin but know one knows for sure or where the forms and combos and kempos came from.

[KempoTiger]

United Studios to the best of my knowledge is under the Cerio system who taught Villari.

There is indeed material after black, and it mostly incorporates more advanced versions of the same theories and techniques of lower ranks, as well as numerous Kung Fu forms.

[KempoTiger]

True the after black stuff could be shaolin but know one knows for sure or where the forms and combos and kempos came from.

Much of it is Kajukenbo derived, much of it came from Chow himself. Also keep in mind, when Villari and Mattera left the Cerio system, they were at a level where they were in a position to create their own techniques and theories. The biggest difference in Kempo from most traditional Martial arts systems is the fact that it is always changing to improve and work more efficiently.

A Master 5th degree or higher creating new techniques or kata's isn't exactly a sin within Kempo, and is in fact promoting what makes it so diverse and special. Just like how Bruce Lee taught JKD without set techniques but rather improving theories, Kempo schools branch off and reinvent themselves depending on the Master in charge.

To go back to the beginnings of many Eastern US Kempo schools, one can look at the Kajukenbo model, and see how most instructors there are encouraged to teach not set movements but rather with their own flavor for what works with each individual student. Not everyone is the same, and not everything works for everyone. It's the essence of Kempo to evolve

[Enviroman]

True the after black stuff could be shaolin but know one knows for sure or where the forms and combos and kempos came from.

Much of it is Kajukenbo derived, much of it came from Chow himself. Also keep in mind, when Villari and Mattera left the Cerio system, they were at a level where they were in a position to create their own techniques and theories. The biggest difference in Kempo from most traditional Martial arts systems is the fact that it is always changing to improve and work more efficiently.

A Master 5th degree or higher creating new techniques or kata's isn't exactly a sin within Kempo, and is in fact promoting what makes it so diverse and special. Just like how Bruce Lee taught JKD without set techniques but rather improving theories, Kempo schools branch off and reinvent themselves depending on the Master in charge.

To go back to the beginnings of many Eastern US Kempo schools, one can look at the Kajukenbo model, and see how most instructors there are encouraged to teach not set movements but rather with their own flavor for what works with each individual student. Not everyone is the same, and not everything works for everyone. It's the essence of Kempo to evolve

The style of Kempo I just took up is based on the idea of "natural law." Kata are still taught but not emphasized nearly as much as general concepts regarding human physiology (natural law). Some styles of Kempo are pretty close to JKD from what I've seen, in that they focus less on fixed positions and more on general concepts.

[KempoTiger]

In my honest opinion, most mixed martial artists or MA's in hybrid styles such as Kempo are all slowly reaching towards that bruce lee JKD model. Kinda like tearing down unnecessary walls in a house.

I do not speak for all Kempo schools, and from what I've heard Villari's is nothing more than a McDojo, and the United Studio's schools have watered down their material and training quite a bit.

In my school, I teach my students to find their own way. They learn set techniques and Kata's but the Bunkai for them will change depending on themselves as individuals. Some moves will work for them, some won't. Eventually all of the techniques begin to flow into each other, and the student can begin to flow as a fighter in their own way.

In my opinion, the Kung Fu forms we teach aren't as flashy as they would be in a true Kung Fu school, to keep in tune with our mission of practicality. We use them primarily for strengthening of ones stances, as well as helping the student flow more easily and fluidly.

But as I said, when I researched and wrote about the history of Kempo, it's not a straight line of lineage with set techniques and forms. It's like an old twisted rope, that twines, breaks away and retwines as long as it goes.

A Master in Kempo may branch off with his own system and dojo, but will learn forms and katas from other masters that he will incorporate as his higher ranking material. We may use altered forms and techniques from other systems if the master deems them conducive to making one a more skilled martial artist.