Has anyone here heard of the Chinese Goju system developed by Ron Van Clief? It's supposedly a mixture of Chinese Kung Fu and Japanese Karate. Would you call this innovative?

considering that the okinawan arts came directly from china, I wouldn't call it too innovative. goju is okinawan, not japanese.

never hear of it

I have the Black Belt magazine DVD's of the system. It's OK. It's a heavily external style. There was little coverage of subject matter beyond the techniques... Seemed a little superficial to me, but perhaps that's the nature of the medium. I had the same complaint about the Fred Villari Shaolin Kempo DVDs I saw.

yeah i saw the same thing and tend to agree

Has anyone here heard of the Chinese Goju system developed by Ron Van Clief? It's supposedly a mixture of Chinese Kung Fu and Japanese Karate. Would you call this innovative?

Goju Ryu is said to be based on Wu Zhu Kwan or Five Ancestor Fist style of kung fu. It is not the same style as it has evolved and incorporated techniques from the Okinawan fighting arts.

Now for someone to invent Chinese Goju-Ryu is somewhat over the top and in my opinion is more of a marketing plot than anything else. Could the new styles of "Chinese Shorin-Ryu" and even "Chinese Shotokan", invented by us Westerners, be far behind?

i wouldnt call it innovative id call it rediculous. goju orignated from china and also gets some of it roots from the white crane style of kung fu.

add anymore chinese aspect and you might as well call it kung fu