Freddy Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 What do the makiwarausers say about this? is the makiwara really damaging for your karate? http://www.shotokai.com/ingles/gallery/tokitsu/makiwara5.html Extraordinary abilities can only come from extraordinary effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncole_91 Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 It is a huge debate, I would personally like to start using a makiwara, and conditioning my body, but I know I will have to start out very very slowly and then slowly progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makiwaraman Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Like has already been said its a huge debate. The reason that Kenji Tokitsu stopped was that he changed the form of punching. It does work the look on peoples face when I strike a focus mit held against their sternum(these are dan grades) and the fact that they jump back to lesson the impact the second time assures me of this. I doubt that this traditional method of training would have lasted for hundreds of years had it not been effective.regards makiwaraman We are necessarily imperfect and therefore always in a state of growth, We can always learn more and therefore perform better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussi Häkkinen Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 If the hand can't take the makiwara training, person is probably using a too stiff makiwara. Too stiff makiwara can cause deformation of fingerjoints and is bad for the technique. Makiwara mainly helps in the alignment of the joints and learning the proper punching form and power - it isn't designed (and shouldn't be used) as a hardening tool. Joint surfaces cannot be hardened (they only produce extra cartilage to joint area, thus hindering the natural movement of the joint) and the "hardening" benefit of makiwara/sandbag/etc. training should be mainly in getting skin accustomized to striking and learning the proper striking technique. Jussi HäkkinenOkinawan Shorin-Ryu Seibukan Karate-Do (Kyan Chotoku lineage)TurkuFinland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousOne Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 I have been using a makiwara for over 30 years. Hasnt effected me negatively thank God. 7th Dan ChidokaiA true combat warrior has to be hard as nails in mind, body and soul. Warriors are action takers and not action fakers. If you are cruising, make time for losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrrrArg Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Yes and no.If you use it incorectly then it can cripple you. Or rather, you will cripple yourself upon it.What context are you using it in?Is it for improving technique or "conditioning" your hands?If its the later...thats not what a makiwara was meant for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousOne Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Its interesting to note that of all the Karate masters in history, Egami is the only one that I know of, that made those claims about using a makiwara.I am extremely skeptical of his claim that people who use a makiwara have ineffective punches."I many times found people with calloused fists due to makiwara training, where the first knuckles were covered with a black thick hard covering as a heel. They were terrible hands to look at but when I asked them to hit me, their blows were not effective. These experiences made me distrust the makiwara". - EgamiBoxers dont use a makiwara and yet knock people to the ground with gloves on. 7th Dan ChidokaiA true combat warrior has to be hard as nails in mind, body and soul. Warriors are action takers and not action fakers. If you are cruising, make time for losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chirath Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Its interesting to note that of all the Karate masters in history, Egami is the only one that I know of, that made those claims about using a makiwara.Hironori Ohtsuka was against the use of the Makiwara. Personally I think the makiwara is one of the many things, that makes karate great. My Sensei uses it. And his knuckles are very powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrrrArg Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Anon, boxers have also been known to break their hands when punching without their gloves on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousOne Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Anon, boxers have also been known to break their hands when punching without their gloves on yes I know, but thats not the issue 7th Dan ChidokaiA true combat warrior has to be hard as nails in mind, body and soul. Warriors are action takers and not action fakers. If you are cruising, make time for losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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