Wing Chun VS Choy Lee Fut VS Northern Shaolin

[Goju_boi]

any info is great

[Goju_boi]

Can anybody help?I need info on comparing the three I guess.

[italian_guy]

I know very little about these style but I'll break the ice for you.

I don't know Choy lee fut at all, I have some wing chun instruction from JKD and I watched some northern shaolin classes in my previous kung fu school. Wing chun and Northern Shaolin looks very different. Wing chun has low kicks, very focused on cernterline defence and attack and has all this (very good, I enjoy them a lot) trapping techniques pak sao, lop sao etc. Northern shaolin instead has high kicks, it is more spectacular and flashy, nice fluent form but it requires a lot of flexibility (I'm ruled out for that).

At the end if you like forms that looks great you will prefer NS but if you are more interested in self defence my suggestion goes to wing chun.

[CapitalKarate]

I also have no knowledge of Choy lee fut, I guess I'm just posting to say I agree with italian guy, wing chun is known for a good self defense art, if thats what you want. If you want a more self defense oreiented version of TKD to impress your friends and have a little bit of self defense also, go with northern shoalin.

[Goju_boi]

Goju ryu is also based on low kicks and a lot of self defense so I guess Northern Shaolin would be a better idea.But I still want to hear about choy lee fut.

[CapitalKarate]

wing chun is really a great art, it's been known for being street effective. But if you want a change and something to spice it up so to speak, go with northern shaolin.

[dippedappe]

Northern Shaolin should be exstremely deadly in the long run. It's one of those styles where you become an effective fighter after many years of training. A longtime Shaolin student should be very effective against other Martial Artists I have heard.

I do not know very much about Choy lee fut either, other than they do a lot of "Swinging" arm-movements. Overpowered Hooks and Uppercuts.

Wing Chun is as mentioned before very effective in street fights. And it's easy to become competent quickly in fighting with WC. But I have heard that it's not as effective in VS battles against Martial Artists of different styles such as Northern Shaolin. My former Shixiong told me that he had been up against a few WC practitioners, and beat them all fairly easy. But he has probably exaggerated.

I'd say, if you are in it for being able to defend yourself effective in a fight. Go for Wing Chun. If you want more than just that and study the art of it, go for Northern Shaolin.

For being able to use what you learn fairly effective and correct in a fight, I think it's like this. in Wing Chun, It's about 1 years time I think. In Northern Shaolin it will take you about 4-5 years.

[Infrazael]

I would do either WC or Choy Lay Fut if you want to learn how to fight quickly.

We just had a Northern Shaolin come in to our Kwoon after theirs closed down last week, and he was showing us some of the Northern forms.

Very flashy, pretty, cool, but seriously, NOT for combat unless you stuided for quite a while IMO. Alot of strange movements, low stances, jumping, all that stuff you seem to find in movies. And not Wushu either.

Wing Chun = you stay in a box, essentially. Very defensive compared to Choy Lay Fut, and from what I gather doesn't have very good defense against big overhead attacks. Very theoritical in nature, straight punches, depends on structure, low kicks, VERY linear.

Choy Lay Fut = you have mobile footwork with a very strong root. Like Hung Gar but more mobile, or less mobile depending on your taste (i'm not that mobile compared to others). But root is very strong. Lots of longarm techniques, designed to crush the opponent by bashing THROUGH them. Not very theoritical, we just do our techniques and fight instead of talking about "gate theory" "centerline" "pillars" "bridging" etc.

Like Hung Gar we have powerful bridges, but done in a very different manner IMO. And very fast too, unlike Hung Gar.

Choy Lay Fut always links their attacks together in succession regardless of bridging or not. There are 10 baisic punches called the "10 seeds of CLF." Master those, you basically got the system down. 3-5 core hand forms depending on Lineage, 2-4 advanced hand forms, lots of weapons (you usually don't have to learn them all), and a few dummy forms.

Very hardcore training, unless your lineage is Doc Fai Wong (they play CLF like Tai Chi, a no no for all other CLF peeps). Lots of forearm conditioning, and alot of schools teach iron palm and sometimes iron shirt. Partner drills are also good.

Most CLF will also have alot of bagwork involved, if you're up to it. Helps you use 10 Seed punches well.

Not much kicking at all, the Northern aspect of CLF comes from teh footwork, and the way we swing our hands. So essentially the destructive power of Southern styles coupled with loose, swinging Northern motion and footwork.

[dippedappe]

We just had a Northern Shaolin come in to our Kwoon after theirs closed down last week, and he was showing us some of the Northern forms.

Very flashy, pretty, cool, but seriously, NOT for combat unless you stuided for quite a while IMO. Alot of strange movements, low stances, jumping, all that stuff you seem to find in movies. And not Wushu either.

You can't judge the Northern Shaolin's fighting capabilities by looking at it's forms. Do you judge a Capoeira fighters fighting capabilities on the dancing you see? No.

[Goju_boi]

well I've heard that the reason that they do forms like that is for conditioning and the starnge movements are to conceal some of the applications.