Could you beat a street fighter?

[Mr Pockets]

Properly trained = competent

Untrained = incompetent

Period

Man, you'd be surprised....

[mikaveli]

"A minute of experience on the street is worth a year of training in the dojo. " - Str33t Guy

No it isn't. (Unless your at a really bad dojo)

[SevenStar]

"A minute of experience on the street is worth a year of training in the dojo. " - Str33t Guy

No it isn't. (Unless your at a really bad dojo)

there is an element of truth to it - experience counts for alot...although I think a year is a bit of an exaggeration. take two fighters who have trained the same length of time, in the same school. The only difference is that one has had ring fights and the other has not - typically, the one who has the ring experience will be the overall better fighter. he's used to the pressure, dealing with someone trying to tear his head off, coping with adrenaline, etc. The person with street fights under their belt has the same advantage over a person who has had none.

[SevenStar]

I have never met a street fighter that works out like competent martial artist.

I have.

I have never met a street fighter that can punch at 48 feet per second, or can kick, block, and move their body in a similar capability.

actually, that doesn't matter... de la hoya can punch faster than tyson - who do you think would win?

I have never met a street fighter who has the reaction time capability of a competent martial artist.

I have. the thing is people take "streetfighter" to mean 'couch potato who does nothing, but likes to fight' The guys that I know who did alot of fighting were very athletic - played ball, lifted weights, etc - they just loved trouble.

How can someone honestly compare a trained person with an untrained person?

the same way that a lesser skilled tennis player beats a more skilled one. The sun even shines on a dog's behind some days...

There are martial artists and competent martial artists, do not mistake the two.

some people think they are, but are not.

[mikaveli]

Some good points.

You do need some 'fight like' experience, but you don't learn much from having your nose broken in a street fight.

Someone who has trained in their club for a year doing stretching, power and endurance training and learning a range of techniques should have a good advantage.

Although, it is very true that all the above training would not be very useful if you couldn't compose yourself to apply it in a fight and not panic when your taking hits.

Most of the students I train with get worse at fighting if they are given a good beating. Buliding confidence over time seems to be the most effectice way of training someone.

[y2_sub]

Properly trained = competent

Untrained = incompetent

Period

incompetent !!!! we are talking about street situation here , right ?? it dosent matter , if this is the case , wether one is competent or not . sometimes street thugs can proove to be a real deal even to a trained guy .. moreover , in a tournament , less trained can prove to be a real deal as well , for instance , there was that second degree blackbelt ,the son of a shihan , highly experienced , participated in many international tournaments , who was defeated by a YELLOW belt .. belive it or not ..

[AnonymousOne]

After you have had enough street fights (I have had plenty) and have been training long enough maybe you will come to see the difference.

I have utter confidence in my abilities not to lose to any street thug.

That may sound arrogant, but I have been training long enough and hard enough to have full confidence in my technique.

[osuperu]

i dont think we can use comparisons of world classsprinters and runners against the untrained runner/sprinter.....well thats not the same

because in running there are rules..heck i could just run across the track and win every time!

but in streetfighting there are no rules, so technicaly, i belive anything could happen.

quoting sevenstar: "The sun even shines on a dog's behind some days..."

anonymousone- kudos, i really hope to aquire your amount of confidence in your art through many many years of hard work and training. so that even if the sun shines on the dogs behind, it wont matter in my eyes... i dont think one can ever have too much confidence when one has the years of trained dicsipline of their art with it!..

i belive that will yield truthfulness, and not arrogance..

i hope i get there....

[y2_sub]

After you have had enough street fights (I have had plenty) and have been training long enough maybe you will come to see the difference.

I have utter confidence in my abilities not to lose to any street thug.

That may sound arrogant, but I have been training long enough and hard enough to have full confidence in my technique.

i don't know what you think about Sosai Oyama , any way i will let him answer for you :

When Mas Oyama had been training Shotokan under Master Funakoshi

Funakoshi Sensei goes, "Oyama, Oyama"

"Yes"

"How long have you been doing Karate?"

"Yes, it's been 3 years."

"Are you a black belt now?"

"Yes, I hold the black belt."

As I thought he would complement me, he says, "3 years for the way of grip, 3 years for stance, 3 years of punch. Unless you do 9 years, you won't be able to stand at the Entrance of Karate."

And I thought, "The hell with that old man. Even against Sensei himself, I can defeat him with one strike." That was when I was 17 or 18, and conceited. Since then, I have been gripping my fists for 50 years. I've been doing Karate for half a century long. Yet my grip is still not complete.

[AnonymousOne]

In most endeavours in life where people are required to excel in their chosen field is major contributor to peoples success was self confidence.

If you study great people like the mountain climber Edmond Hillary, or the great businessman W. Clement Stone, or Henry Ford, Mohamed Ali or people that have been successful in all sorts of endeavours, a major component was self confidence in their abilities.

They didnt look at the glass and say "Its half empty"... they said "Its half full"!!!

You have to be positive. You have to believe in yourself. You have to have the confidence to know you can win.

From the great Karate Master Shoshin Nagamines book "The Essense of Okinawan Karate-do I quote:

"When we are ready to practise kumite there are important things to remember. Once confronting an opponent, we must forget the difference between dan and kyu in each other and believe that nobody can be stronger than us as long as we concentrate our senses and minds on finding a way to defeat the opponent , fully utilizing the physical power, intelligence and karate technique we have so far achieved. This seems to be simple and ordinary yet it is sometimes neglected and discarded even by experts".

The longer you train, the more confidence you can have in your skills. I dont mean in an egotistical way, but a deep quiet confidence within yourself.

With regard to Funakoshi's punches. He said that in his autobiography "Karate my way of Life". He didnt mean his punch was ineffective, he meant it took him 50 years to perfect it.