muaythaidm Posted February 10, 2002 Share Posted February 10, 2002 Does anybody know of any arts that started in Europe? I think Savate did, any others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpoon Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 I know theirs grecoroman wrestling, but other than that I dont think there are. There is something that medeival knights used which involved grappling along with sword play, but that doesn't really apply. In Europe when it came to fighting it was all about having something with a sharp edge with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joecooke007 Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 uhhh Russian NO Holds Barred??? Boards don't hit back. -Bruce Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias_Reece Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 HMMMMM, European martial arts, eh? Savate - the french kicking art Fencing - developed somewhere in europe SAMBO - Russian martial art Krav Maga - Developed in Isreali, I think There are some more, but I cant think of them off the top of my head. Hope this helps Tobias "You Are Never Given A Dream Without Also Being Given The Power To Make It True. You May Have To Work For It, However"Principal Kobudo Instructor & OwnerWest Yorkshire Kobudo Academy2nd Kyu (Matayoshi Okinawan Kobudo, IOKA UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickChick Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 Boxing, wrestling in all of it's european forms incl. Savate (French foot boxing, Sombo, Pankration,Faction Fighting used by the Irish, German, English, Finnish & Italian Fencing, Russian (ROSS)/Slavic MA, Rapier, Longsword, Broadsword, historical European combat grappling and dagger systems. There are many lost arts of unarmed combat dagger fighting and close-quarters sword combat as they were practiced throughout Europe centuries ago. _________________ ITF/TKD Black Belt (1st dan)/Fitness Kickboxing Instructor (KarateForums Sensei) [ This Message was edited by: KickChick on 2002-02-11 09:55 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaiFightsMS Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 During Midievel times many unique and interesting looking weapons were developed in Europe. And how about chain mail? They did some unique armour work. As well as what they called "quarterstaff". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ad Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 i understand that "the system" or "systema" was developed in russia, it involves alot of grappling and hardcore street defense, similar to bjj Brown Sash Hsing I/Lau Gar Kung FuBrown Belt San Shou17 yr oldhttp://www.selfdefencehelp.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YODA Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 I have a book written in the 1599 by an Englishman called George Silver that deals with sword, sword & buckler, sword & dagger, staff, battle axe, pike, forest bill etc etc.... It also covers "Closings, Gripes & Wrastlings". Here's a section (Very hard to read the Olde English - all the s's are f's etc...) "...... there is no manner of teaching comparable to the old ancient teaching, that is, first their quarters, then their wardes, blowes, thrusts, and breaking of thrusts, then their Closes and Gripes, striking with the hilts, Daggers, Bucklers, Wrastlings, striking with the foote or knee in the Coddes, and all these are safely defended by learning perfectly the of the Gripes." He also mentions ".... hitting with the knee in the Coddes, throwing down & stamping on the loins" Pretty good stuff considering that was 403 years ago! " YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaiFightsMS Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Sounds like a really cool book Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustr Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 I have some tapes showing old Shaolin techniques that have virtually no Western influence. They come through Indonesia as opposed to modern China. Anyway the pronating punches seen in modern karate and kungfu are absent. There are no high lateral kicks only upward snaps with various parts of the foot. There are no spinning techniques or ariel kicks of any kind. I personally believe that when you train in karate and learn lateral, ariel or circular techniques that you are learning things these systems picked up from France. Europe and Asia have been in contact for a long time. There really is no such thing as an ethnic martial art. Most are composites and have been so for the last 100 or so years. Some of these articles deal with Africa and Australia. They're all worth a look. http://www.alliancemartialarts.com http://www.etp.phys.tue.nl/bertus/schermen/types.htm http://www.savateaustralia.com/index.htm http://flybynight.korolev.com/schoolofarms/ http://ejmas.com/jwma/jwmaart_wolf_0500.html http://www.the-exiles.org/ http://ejmas.com/jmanly/jmanlyart_gorn_0401.htm http://ejmas.com/jwma/jwmaart_steenput_1000.html http://www.osmalandrosdemestretouro.bigstep.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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