TKD_McGee Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Endurance and Strength are the key. Not just strength. Big weights are for Muscle Heads.. Very few people can do big weights in many reps... Stamina is not hog wash buddy, Hogwash is doing 5 reps with 40 pound curls... Ok Yoda so you need explosive strength but that is very limited? You dont want to punch a few hard times then get tired... you need endurance and stamina over strength. This goes to the strength vs skill argument in the general forum... You don't see any muscle bound jocks doing martial arts do you? Most of them are slim and fast like bruce lee. Do unto others, as they done to you.
YODA Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 LOL! I didn't say that endurance wasn't important. I said that what you mentioned would not build strength - and that was his question. Bruce Lee's build was more to do with his somatype that his training method. Look at his actual training routines - he lifted big heavy weights for 6-10 reps. YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
kicker Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 An exercise i found that is good if you grab some weights like 10 pounds and put your hands up to your face and throw a punch (jab, cross, hook ..ect) right, left and keep on doing that your a while and if it's to easy change to heavier weights when you do your best it`s going to show. "If you watch the pros, You will learn something new"
KickChick Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 I agree with TKD_McGee. I use free weights together with resistance band and of course, fitness kickboxing. Jab and punching the heavy bag continuously (at different intervals) during my 60 minute workout is a great workout for the arms. So much so in fact that I have had to reduce the weight of my gloves because I am starting to bulk up a bit much around the shoulders. The additional weight of the gloves at the end of your arms is something you really feel in your arms and shoulders. And kicker's advice ...it is the lever principle at work. The farther you place a weight, like gloves or weights, from the pivot or fulcrum ... in this case the shoulder joint, the more force it takes to move it.
YODA Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 LOL! Everyone's posting some great methods to give the arms a good workout - great ways to increase Local Muscular Endurance (and it IS something that we need) but, as I tried to get across above- the original question was how do you strength train the arms? The one I have to disagree with - with ANY goal in mind, is punching with weights - this is just NOT a good idea! The resistance is in the wrong direction to the technique you are trying to improve - i.e. Gravity is pulling the weight DOWN and you are trying to strike OUT. The only way to add resistance to a punch is either spring or rubber band type movements - and again this is endurance work. Another tip - just 'cos an exercise HURTS the day after (or at the time) does not mean that it is beneficial. Pain in not a good indicator of training effect - just lactate build up, D.O.M.S, or injury. If I shin kicked you in the thigh you would have a sore thigh the next day - would you recommend being kicked as a good way to strengthen the quadraceps? TKD_McGee: "This goes to the strength vs skill argument in the general forum..." Why can't we have both? Strength AND skill? --- and before someone says I'm being too negative. Just remember... "A certain amount of opposition is a great help to a man. Kites rise against, not with, the wind"...John Neal _________________ YODA 2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima Instructor : JKD Concepts http://www.jkdc.co.uk / http://www.docepares.co.uk [ This Message was edited by: YODA on 2002-02-05 14:11 ] YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
KickChick Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 The weight of my boxing gloves is 16 oz. I changed to padded fingerless gloves with extra wrist protection. I do not jab/punch with free weights although I do know many martial artists that do use free weights to improve speed. A punch requires you to move your fist from your body to your target. Depending on your physical condition and how conditioned you are, grab relatively light weights, such as 3 to 5 lbs dumbbells and perform punching movements for a period of 5 minutes working up to 20 minutes three times a week. You can use splits such as one-minute punching and one-minute resting. Start off punching slowly, at approximately 40 percent of your fastest speed (use your own judgement). Allow at least a week for your muscles to adapt. After each week of training, increase the speed of the punches by 20 percent until you reach full speed. In the last round of workouts, don't use any extra weight but only your arm weight and go at full speed. You'll notice the difference. Apply this to kicking, blocking and other techniques. Use ankle weights when doing kicking exercises. We all are prone and I am sure have experienced "soreness" of the muscles and know the causes etc etc....we should by now all be aware of our goals and limitations and act accordingly with our training. Should you stop when you "feel the burn?" The answer is ... "No!" The burn is not a sign that you have fully taxed your muscles, but rather that you are generating lactate from the breakdown of carbohydrate (as Yoda posted). Thus, it is beneficial to try to push past the burn and continue training until your muscles are fatigued. If you stop before, you are succumbing to mental fatigue and this will result in suboptimal results. We fail to remember ---Since we are all different from one another, we must train each person in an appropriate fashion with special regard to these differences.... (Bruce Lee) I hate to quote but ... _________________ ITF/TKD Black Belt (1st dan)/Fitness Kickboxing Instructor (KarateForums Sensei) [ This Message was edited by: KickChick on 2002-02-06 07:58 ]
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