Joecooke007 Posted February 3, 2002 Posted February 3, 2002 What do you use to strength train your arms? Boards don't hit back. -Bruce Lee
YODA Posted February 3, 2002 Posted February 3, 2002 ..... Weights. BIG weights Ahem.... but seriously. I don't do a lot of direct arm work. Sometimes I curl for my biceps & triceps press - but the vast majority of my weight training is big compound lifts such as... Squats (full) Bent leg deadlift Power cleans Push press Bench press Chins Lat pulls Heavy pullovers (not the knitted kind!) YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
AnonymousOne Posted February 4, 2002 Posted February 4, 2002 I use weights and plyometric exercises 7th Dan ChidokaiA true combat warrior has to be hard as nails in mind, body and soul. Warriors are action takers and not action fakers. If you are cruising, make time for losing
Jack Posted February 4, 2002 Posted February 4, 2002 I use a variety of pushups and pullups along with some moderate weights due to my young age. Whatever you do, work your muscles to fatigue or otherwise you will not get nearly as good gains. JackCurrently 'off' from formal MA trainingKarateForums.com
TKD_McGee Posted February 4, 2002 Posted February 4, 2002 All you really need is some Free Weights... buy whatever size you are cumfortable with. You can do much with free weights.. All that other stuff is expensive and you hardly use it as much as you would a free weight... Free Weights, and pushups are all you really need. I personally use 25s and do 3 sets of 60 pushups.. If you get big weights and do few reps it will do you no good, you will have low stamina and big arms... If you can get little weights like 25s and do 25-30 reps like I do then you will have greater stamina and look bigger over a longer period of time. Do unto others, as they done to you.
kicker Posted February 4, 2002 Posted February 4, 2002 well to make it very short I would use mostly all exercises that help build your arm strenght like weight training a bit and push ups... ect when you do your best it`s going to show. "If you watch the pros, You will learn something new"
AnonymousOne Posted February 4, 2002 Posted February 4, 2002 I dont agree that weights on its own is enough. You have to develop explosive power into your muscles. Yes weights develops strengths but you need explosive strength. What is plyometrics? Speed and strength are integral components of fitness found in varying degrees in virtually all athletic movements. Simply put the combination of speed and strength is power. For many years coaches and athletes have sought to improve power in order to enhance performance. Throughout this century and no doubt long before, jumping, bounding and hopping exercises have been used in various ways to enhance athletic performance. In recent years this distinct method of training for power or explosiveness has been termed plyometrics. Whatever the origins of the word the term is used to describe the method of training which seeks to enhance the explosive reaction of the individual through powerful muscular contractions as a result of rapid eccentric contractions. Muscle Mechanism The maximum force that a muscle can develop is attained during a rapid eccentric contraction. However, it should be realised that muscles seldom perform one type of contraction in isolation during athletic movements. When a concentric contraction occurs (muscle shortens) immediately following an eccentric contraction (muscle lengthens) then the force generated can be dramatically increased. If a muscle is stretched, much of the energy required to stretch it is lost as heat, but some of this energy can be stored by the elastic components of the muscle. This stored energy is available to the muscle only during a subsequent contraction. It is important to realise that this energy boost is lost if the eccentric contraction is not followed immediately by a concentric effort. To express this greater force the muscle must contract within the shortest time possible. This whole process is frequently called the stretch shortening cycle and is the underlying mechanism of plyometric training. Choose the method to fit the sport The golden rule of any conditioning programme is specificity. This means that the movement you perform in training should match, as closely as possible, the movements encountered during competition. If you are rugby player practising for the line-out or a volleyball player interested in increasing vertical jump height, then drop jumping or box jumping may be the right exercise. However if you are a javelin thrower aiming for a more explosive launch, then upper body plyometrics is far more appropriate. Plyometric Exercises The following are examples of lower body and upper body plyometric exercises. Lower Body Drop Jumping: - This exercise involves the athlete dropping (not jumping) to the ground from a raised platform or box, and then immediately jumping up. The drop down gives the pre-stretch to the leg muscles and the vigorous drive upwards the secondary concentric contraction The exercise will be more effective the shorter the time the feet are in contact with the ground. The loading in this exercise is governed by the height of the drop which should be in the region of 30-80 cm. Drop jumping is a relatively high impact form of plyometric training and would normally be introduced after the athlete had become accustomed to lower impact alternatives, such as two-footed jumping on the spot. Bounding and hurdling: If forward motion is more the name of your game, try some bounding. This is a form of plyometric training, where over sized strides are used in the running action and extra time spent in the air. Two-legged bounds reduces the impact to be endured, but to increase the intensity one legged bounding, or hopping, can be used. Bounding upstairs is a useful way to work on both the vertical and horizontal aspects of the running action. Multiple jumps over a series of obstacles like hurdles is a valuable drill for athletes training for sprinting or jumping events. These exercises are all aimed at the lower body, but a variety of drills can be used to make the upper body more explosive. Upper Body Press ups & hand clap: Press-ups with a hand clap in between is a particularly vigorous way to condition the arms and chest. The pre-stretch takes place as the hands arrive back on the ground and the chest sinks, and this is followed quickly by the explosive upwards action. Once again, to get the best training effect keep the time in contact with the ground to a minimum. Medicine Ball: Another means of increasing upper body strength popular with throwers is to lie on the ground face up. A partner then drops a medicine ball down towards the chest of the athlete, who catches the ball (pre-stretch) and immediately throws it back. This is another high-intensity exercise and should only be used after some basic conditioning. Planning a Plyometric Session The choice of exercises within a session and their order should be planned. A session could : begin with exercises that are fast, explosive and designed for developing elastic strength (low hurdle jumps; low drop jumps) work through exercises that develop concentric strength (standing long jump; high hurdle jumps) finish with training for eccentric strength (higher drop jumps). An alternative session could :- begin with low hurdle jumps progress to bounding and hopping, continue with steps or box work finish with medicine ball work out for abdominals and upper body. Warm up A thorough warm-up is essential prior to plyometric training. Attention should be given to jogging, stretching (static and ballistic), striding and general mobility especially about the joints involved in the planned plyometric session. A warm-down should follow each session. How many ? It is wise not to perform too many repetitions in any one session and since it is a quality session, with the emphasis on speed and power rather than endurance, split the work into sets with ample recovery in between. Where to do it and what to wear For bounding exercises use surfaces such as grass or resilient surfaces. Avoid cement floors because there is no cushioning. Choose well-cushioned shoes that are stable and can absorb some of the inevitable impact. All athletes should undergo general orthopaedic screening before engaging in plyometric training. Particular attention should be given to structural or postural problems that are likely to predispose the athlete to injury. Conditioning for plyometrics Higher than normal forces are put on the musculoskeletal system during plyometric exercises so it is important for the athlete to have a good sound base of general strength and endurance. Most experts state that a thorough grounding in weight-training is essential before you start plyometrics. It has been suggested that an athlete be able to squat twice his body weight before attempting depth jumps. However, less intensive plyometric exercises can be incorporated into general circuit and weight training during the early stages of training so as to progressively condition the athlete. Simple plyometric drills such as skipping hopping and bounding should be introduced first. More demanding exercises such as flying start single-leg hops and depth jumps should be limited to thoroughly conditioned athletes. Conditioning programmes to develop leg strength are detailed on the Lower Leg Conditioning page and the Leg Conditioning page. Young athletes Some authors suggest that moderate jumps can be included in the athletic training of very young children (Lohman, 1989). However, great care needs to be exerted when prescribing any training procedures for preadolescent children. Because of the relatively immature bone structure in preadolescent and adolescent children the very great forces exerted during intensive depth jumps should be avoided (Smith, 1975). Summary Plyometric type exercises have been used successfully by many athletes as a method of training to enhance power. In order to realise the potential benefits of plyometric training the stretch-shortening cycle must be invoked. This requires careful attention to the technique used during the drill or exercise. The rate of stretch rather than the magnitude of stretch is of primary importance in plyometric training. In addition, the coupling time or ground contact time must be as short as possible. The Challenge to you as coach or athlete is to select or create an exercise that is specific to the event and involves the correct muscular action. As long as you remember specificity and to ensure there is a pre stretch first then the only limit is your imagination. Plyometric exercise and weight training can be combined in complex training sessions to further develop explosive power. 7th Dan ChidokaiA true combat warrior has to be hard as nails in mind, body and soul. Warriors are action takers and not action fakers. If you are cruising, make time for losing
YODA Posted February 4, 2002 Posted February 4, 2002 Excellent stuff AnonymouseOne TKD_McGee - your talking hogwash! Yes, low weight / high reps will develop endurance.. The original question was "What do you use to strength train your arms?" What you need for martial arts is explosive strength - for that you need muscular strength from heavy weights plus explosive delivery from plyometrics & proper form. YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
Kickbutt Posted February 4, 2002 Posted February 4, 2002 How about pad work and pushups? Will those be effective? By pad work I mean with a partner calling out fast explosive combos...I love to do those and am seeing a great improvement in my arms but I also take cardio where we also do alot of upper arm exercises without weights - quite basic, but I've found them very effective. Lori If you think something small cannot make a difference - try going to sleep with a mosquito in the room.-Unknown-
CTpizzaboy Posted February 4, 2002 Posted February 4, 2002 Alright, in layman terms, Joe, work out your arms by lifting weights. Focus on you forearm for speed. The biceps, triceps shoulders and back for the power in a punch. Buy you a book that has illustrations on how to do these excercises correctly so you do not injure yourself. "Train hard and kickass." Canh T.I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversations.
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