Shorin Ryuu Posted October 9, 2004 Posted October 9, 2004 However, there is a reason for pulling your other fist back to your side. It just might have something to do with grappling. It's been posted before, but I'll see if you can guess it... Its a shame, Shorin Ryuu, that not many people know the application of hikite. Especially those who practise it without knowing what its for. Yeah...hikite, tuite, all of it. Martial Arts Blog:http://bujutsublogger.blogspot.com/
cross Posted October 9, 2004 Posted October 9, 2004 if it has to do with elbowing someone behind you while punching someone infront of you (the only justification ive ever heard for it), thats dreamworld fighting. Thats not really what its about. If you read this you may understand hikite a little better. > http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=317
parkerlineage Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Was he looking to get bashed? Okay, perhaps I got a bit carried away. I apologize. American Kenpo Karate- First Degree Black Belt"He who hesitates, meditates in a horizontal position."Ed Parker
47MartialMan Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Well, is the original poster opening two categories? Martial Art Athelete vs a Martial Artist. How does athletics deem that to be a superior martial artist? So, given a MA athlete that can run faster be one that can defeat someone that does not? By some twist, couldn't all MA athletes be "considered" as Martial Artists? So, the old masters, cannot be good, because they cannot run the quarter faster than the young-athletic Martial Artist? Carl Lewis, Bill Gates? If you were to look at it, much martial arts give a advantage to small-weaker persons that do not have to be athletic. If Carl Lewis, being a superb athlete trained with Master Joker in Tae Kwon Leap, is he actually going to fair better then Bill Gates with Aikido, Karate, Kung Fu, or other well-known, well-proven, and well-effective art? Hmmnnn.
Radok Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 I would still put my money on Carl Lewis. This is coming from a guy who can run a quarter in 58 or less But seriously, Carl Lewis would have a huge advantage in speed and power even if he never did a martial art. If you can't laugh at yourself, there's no point. No point in what, you might ask? there's just no point.Many people seem to take Karate to get a Black Belt, rather than getting a Black Belt to learn Karate.
SevenStar Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Or having more travel...or more speed...or more power... It could have something to do with those, but pulling the hand back to your face would have the same effect, in addition to protecting your face. chambering the fist has it's main advantage in grappling. However, that is a bad habit to have in a fight. I agree that crescent kicks and flying spinning kicks are completely useless they have their place. I've had the wind knocked outta me by a jump spinning back kick. I wouldn't rely on them, but they have their place. I've seen such techniques used effectively in fights, though not often.
longarm25 Posted October 29, 2004 Posted October 29, 2004 I would still put my money on Carl Lewis. This is coming from a guy who can run a quarter in 58 or less But seriously, Carl Lewis would have a huge advantage in speed and power even if he never did a martial art.but speed and power does not equal fighting ability. or the ability to hit a moving target. the advandtage would lie in the frame of mind that the TMA trains with the TMA trains to survive a real life situation where as the martial athlete trains to get to the next round PhilRyu Kyu Christian Karate Federation"Do not be dependent on others for your improvement. Pay respect to God and Buddhabut do not reley on them." Musashi
47MartialMan Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 Yes, and athelete be it runner, basketball player, or etc., will not consitiute a good fighter. I mean that is why professional boxers are not sprint runners
SevenStar Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 However, there is a reason for pulling your other fist back to your side. It just might have something to do with grappling. It's been posted before, but I'll see if you can guess it... Its a shame, Shorin Ryuu, that not many people know the application of hikite. Especially those who practise it without knowing what its for. I think alot of us inderstand that. I know that the chamber can be a grabbing hand. know that some of the movements are supposed to be breaks, or can be breaks, i.e. a high block and techniques like the second technique in heian nidan. A shuto block can be a strike to the neck, etc... BUT, as vito said, if you drop your hand like that, you deserve to get hit in the face. you should train the applications of the kata, but know how to integrate them without compromising your defense.
cross Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 BUT, as vito said, if you drop your hand like that, you deserve to get hit in the face. Its important to know the right and wrong times to use the technique. Best time is if your opponent is dazed and you want to gain more control of him. It can be used in other situations against grabs etc. When you use the pulling motion you are controling one of his arms which means your not just dropping your hand and saying "hit me now", your taking control of him giving you an advantage.you should train the applications of the kata, but know how to integrate them without compromising your defense. I completely agree.
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