Drunken Monkey Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 cos not all that is considered a martial art, even those from hundreds or even thousands of years ago has a real martial connection. take the chinese styles. the original long fist was taught to soldiers so yeah, that 'qualifies'. but what about styles like choy li fut, hung gar, mok gar, tai chi, mantis..... they don't actually have much to do with actual warfare. i'm not sure if 'martial art' is as accurate as opposed to simply calling it 'fighting art'. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 okay, I see what you're getting at. I still think it can apply though. If you look up the definition for martial, one of the definitions is warlike. If you looke up warlike, one of the definitions is "equipped to fight" another one is "useful in war" The styles you mentioned can fit those definitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 sure, but the original term was "fist art" but that term wasn't really applied to war applications (i.e fist arts were not war arts) i've said before, i think a closer term for them as a whole isn't 'martial art' but 'fighting art'. as you pointed out above, the original term was fist art i.e the art of using your fists. .....now i'm a little confused as to what i'm trying to say..... as for actual martial aspects. i mentioned that mainly as a base for my assertion that 'martial art' in not a good term to use as it is inaccurate. you used the word 'combat'. which at the level of the individual is 'fighting'. again, this is why i prefere to use 'fighting art'. But is the Chinese Charcter for "fighting"= bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 not really. the chinese term for fighting is a descriptive term and doesn't really have any moral implications associated with it. hmm, well, there are kinda two terms for it. the poetic version when used to describe a contest between two people in a noble way is 'bei mo' (compare-fighting). the not so poetic term for just plain old fighting is 'dar-gow' (hit-conflict). like i said, there is no moral implication of good or bad there, unlike in the english. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 My shimu has a facial expression of digust when she talks about the chracter and concept term of "fighting". She will say, if I got this correctly, "Fighting-Pu How" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostlySykanRyu Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Not that it hasn't been said already, but martial arts is truely expressing yourself in the heat of the moment. To condemn the art of another is to condemn your own as well. We all have the same origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Actually, MA can also be that of non-expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian_guy Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 An interesting method of self-expression through physical and mental activity. You said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostlySykanRyu Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Actually, MA can also be that of non-expression. In that case it is not an art, but simply an outlined movement, a plot of organized despair. To condemn the art of another is to condemn your own as well. We all have the same origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Actually, MA can also be that of non-expression. In that case it is not an art, but simply an outlined movement, a plot of organized despair. Yes, I was speaking metaphorically, per sarcasim, to those that randomly "pick-up" things here and there and misconstrue the things that were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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