Chen vs Yang style Tai chi chuan

[italian_guy]

Hi, I recently bought a DVD with some combat moves of Chen and Yang style Tai Chi Chuan. It seems to me that Yang style has more grappling and locks and Chen style has more strikes.

 

Is this also your opinion?

[JerryLove]

I tend to afree that the strikes are more *obvious* in Chen... I'm not sure I agree that there's a fundamental difference in application... of course, there are more non-combative Yang forms out there than Chen.

[italian_guy]

I tend to afree that the strikes are more *obvious* in Chen... I'm not sure I agree that there's a fundamental difference in application... of course, there are more non-combative Yang forms out there than Chen.

 

I do not agree too much about your last statement. I do yang style and every move in our form (except initial salutation and Ho Tai chi) has combat application.

[JerryLove]

I do not agree too much about your last statement. I do yang style and every move in our form (except initial salutation and Ho Tai chi) has combat application.

Emphasis mine

 

Then *your* Yang form is not one of the Yang forms with many non-combative moves. Yang is the more popular style of the two amongst non-combative schools and so, to my experience, there are more non-combative Yang forms than non-combative Chen forms (which are not as popular with non-combative schools).

[italian_guy]

Yes, in the school where I go we do martial Tai chi (Tai Chi Chuan) not non-combative staff, I do not know what is the situation on the non-combative school, my thread was about the combat side of Tai chi chuan ( usually the non-combative schools call it just Tai chi).

[Rotten Head Fok]

italian_guy, Hello, I study Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan, I have yet to see Chen Style. But I just wanted to say That I am confused by Jerry's statements. Let me clarify myself as best I can. I study Yang Style that originated from Yang Lu-Chan (1799-1872) a native of Hebei province. I am currently working on the 24-movement form. All the moves have practial martial applications, if a practitioner does not know these applications, it's only because they were taught by someone who was not aware either. The body must be connected and the applications understood, if not, a pearson may as well make-up their own moves. These are some of the differences between real and imatation. So, I have to disagree with Jerry, only because what I have learn and train in is 100% combat Tai Chi. I will check out Chen style , I'm curious. Thanks italian_guy, Jerry please do some more research, because I think there is more there than you are aware of. I am learning as I say 24-movement and I have noticed some. Needle at the sea bottom- wristlock takedown, Rollback-shoulder lock, Raise hands-lifting elbow lock, other than those the rest are blocks, strikes, kicks, evasive, defensive moves.

[JerryLove]

Jerry please do some more research, because I think there is more there than you are aware of.

 

I am aware of something you are not (non-combative Yang forms) and you conclude from that fact that I need to do more reasearch?

 

You may, of course, simply assert that non-combative movements are not original and therefore not "real Yang Tiaji". This if fine-and-dandy... but also irrellevent.

 

BTW, I've seen and worked with Chen and Sun style practitioners, as well as many Yang style people, and instructors of similar arts like tikek. I can actully put up a bagua and taiji liniage that most anyone familiar with the big people in the art will recognize. There are certainly people with far more experience than I, but your inference is rather insulting considering your own lack of exposure.

[italian_guy]

My intention was not to start a flame war between practioners of Chen against practioners of Yang style TCC I only wanted to know if my impressions about striking and grappling content of the two styles were correct. Since we talk about striking and grappling we talk about Martial Tai Chi Chuan (not healty dances).I know there is non martial Tai Chi and maybe (as JerryLove states) there are more non-martial Yang style schools and forms then Chen style, my style is fully martial Yang style.

 

I hope I have clarified my point.

[JerryLove]

LOL Fair enough... though I don't think there are any Chen stylists on this thread. I've been exposed to it, but at present am still working on energies for my Yang form.

[Rotten Head Fok]

Mr.Love If you were offended by my word, I appauligize, the only non-combative TCC I know of is what I know as spagetti style, I in now way ment to take away from your knowledge or disrespect you, italian_guy, or KF as a whole.