Ju-jitsu vs. Karate

[KnuckleSandwich]

The choice depends on if you want striking or close quarters fighting. If you can try to train in both and if you are really trying to get somewhere in martial arts I would recoment boxing. The bobbing and weaving that boxing teaches in combination with striking skills makes for a defensive powerhouse.

[tsuki]

I believe BJJ will always win if the Karateka is stupid enough to play BJJ's game.Down load a clip from the site below to give you a bit of an idea.

 

It has the legendery Rolls Gracie,the title mentions his name and the fact he is fighting a Karate master,look for the date 30th Jan 2005.

 

http://www.martialarts.dk/videoklip.asp

[MASIsshinryu]

It all rests in the bodies, minds and methods of each person. A highly skilled striker may defeat even a moderately skilled grappler... or they may not. Likewise the highly skilled grappler vs. a moderately skilled striker.

 

What it comes down to is that the person makes the art function. The art alone does nothing, without the motivated and dedicated person to enact it.

 

Most Law Enforcement officers will tell you that the vast majority of fights on the street do go to the ground. Those that have looked into it will also tell you that the vast majority of the people involved in those have little or no formal training in either striking or grappling, but that they do what seems to come from the flow of the conflict, then often simply loose balance and control.

 

Although there is a higher focus on striking in "Karate" (quoted to denote the wide range of styles that seem to get lumped into this), and a higher focus on grappling in Jujutsu, neither is completely devoid of the other's primary focus.

[jhirsh]

I’m with you MASI.

 

As to the video of the gracy, there is no way he is fighting a "master". If you watch his technique it looks like he either has no formal training or decided to forget it all when he threw his stepping telegraphed forward hand right haymaker with unclosed fist. It’s sort of like the stereotypical punch that we all trained not to throw. If anyone believes that this is a video of a karate master they are mistaken. By the way in order to be a master it would imply that they had nothing else to learn about their art. As you can see from this video this man had allot more to learn. No disrespect intended to anyone

 

Some styles have more emphasis on ground fighting some more emphasis on stand up fighting. Comparing styles is all fine and dandy but in reality if you have any competent level of striker against any competent level of grappler if the strikers timing and luck is better the striker will win and vice versa.

 

If we are basing best style on who wins in "mixed martial arts" competitions, then being a big tough brawler is by far the best style. Why even train when you could just take steroids and hit the weights allot. Sure you might lose a couple of fights to a grappler but in the process you will hurt him so badly that he wont want to compete any more. Soon the entire competition will be a contest of who is the biggest and best trained in an arena of poorly trained fighters!

 

If you are looking for a style that has proven its weight in battle than a good choice would be Krav Maga. It is not made for competition, sport or restraint.

 

Thats my .02c and my first post.

[Gumbi]

I’m with you MASI.

As to the video of the gracy, there is no way he is fighting a "master". If you watch his technique it looks like he either has no formal training or decided to forget it all when he threw his stepping telegraphed forward hand right haymaker with unclosed fist. It’s sort of like the stereotypical punch that we all trained not to throw.

You have to realize that practicing to throw a punch without the stress of real combat is completely different. Your opponent's bobs, weaves, and fakes all play into account how you react. And after hearing the people on this website criticize Jason DeLucia and claim that hes not a good fighter, I cant say I take as many people seriously on here

If anyone believes that this is a video of a karate master they are mistaken. By the way in order to be a master it would imply that they had nothing else to learn about their art. As you can see from this video this man had allot more to learn. No disrespect intended to anyone

Everyone's constantly learning something new about their style, unless they stop training. I dont think theres anyone who knows everything to perfection about their particular style.

Some styles have more emphasis on ground fighting some more emphasis on stand up fighting. Comparing styles is all fine and dandy but in reality if you have any competent level of striker against any competent level of grappler if the strikers timing and luck is better the striker will win and vice versa.

Most grappling arts train their fighters how to close the distance, clinch, and takedown their opponents while protecting themselves from strikes. Striking arts do not teach people how to avoid being taken down, or even if they do, it is not emphasized and practiced nearly as much as is grappling arts.

Attaining a clinch in a fight is also far more common and easier to accomplish than preventing a clinch, so that right there gives odds to the pure grappler over the pure striker.

If we are basing best style on who wins in "mixed martial arts" competitions, then being a big tough brawler is by far the best style. Why even train when you could just take steroids and hit the weights allot. Sure you might lose a couple of fights to a grappler but in the process you will hurt him so badly that he wont want to compete any more. Soon the entire competition will be a contest of who is the biggest and best trained in an arena of poorly trained fighters!

Grappling simply means clinch fighting and groundfighting- theres no rule saying you cant punch your opponent in this part of a fight. Simply being a big brawler wont win you matches in modern day MMA- even though it was a kickboxing match, Bob Sapp vs Mirko Cro Cop is a good example- heres a guy that outweighs Cro Cop by about 160 lbs and its pure muscle, but he gets knocked out within the first round. Even Tank Abbott gets his assed kicked by practically everyone in the UFC now, and hes as much of a brawler as you're going to find.

If you are looking for a style that has proven its weight in battle than a good choice would be Krav Maga. It is not made for competition, sport or restraint.

Thats my .02c and my first post.

Theres no documented evidence of this- I'm not saying Krav is good or bad, but I believe its best to avoid reality based self defense classes. When people start talking like "oh we train for the street! not for sport" its interesting to look at the style they train in- for instance, Krav Maga heavily emphasizes techniques used by boxing, wrestling, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and Muay Thai- ALL of which are sportive martial arts.