Ju-jitsu vs. Karate

[Mart]

If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the BJJ practitioner everytime. That's just my 2 baht worth.

bring me to america i'll fight your bjj practitioner.

 

lol then we can make another of those funny video where teh BJJ guy hands the other guy his * on a plate

[turonaga]

so you really think bjj is the best out there?

[Mart]

pretty much i dont go for this its all about the fighter, when you compare systems you look at them as systems, fighters are irrelevant.

 

like when you go to the hardware store and choose a set of tools, if you can affford it you get the best.

 

What you can do with these is another matter but yes you can compare one car to another regardles of driver and some cars are pure and simple better than others.

 

Same with martial arts, BJJ is the best tool kit for the ground. and mostly they can take a striker down unless he has the tools to stop a takedown.

[Drunken Monkey]

so, following your rational, if a guy has trained sufficiently to prevent him from being taken down or to the point taht he can get up after being taken down very easliy, then that style is then the best?

 

cos it can 'beat' your established 'best'?

 

there is no best.

 

only better for certain situations.

 

the thing with your car/tools analogy is that it assumes that the person can get the most out of the item.

 

(not everyone is a gracie...)

 

also, martial arts, like cars need to be regarded on a situational basis.

 

the enzo would fail miserably on a rally track whilst a rally car would still give it a good fight on a race track.

 

if you are looking at a style purely on the basis of what it covers then i would say that bjj is far from the best because it is too focussed on taking the fight to the ground.

 

while it might be enough for a ring fight, it is maybe too narrow minded for the ever popular street fight involving a crowd.

 

do you really want to take a guy to the floor, in a hold, break a limb whilst other things are going on around you?

 

it taht kind of scenario, i would go for the kick-boxing/muay thai guys cos their exchanges are more 'instantaneous' and brief compared to the bjj guy.

 

in the same instance, the traditional jujitsu guys would also get my preference because they cover stand up more and again, have a higher level of quick exchanges (that may or may not move onto the floor).

[Mart]

I was guessing that i would get that reply, lol, i also thought it might come from you.

 

Your agreeing with me because im saying the system matters, like your point says.

 

Like a car if you take two that are designed for the same job say racing,that could quate to ground fighting, a ferrari is better than a toyota celica.

 

You could say that if the driver of the ferrari is an old woman and you are driving the celica you would win.

 

My point is the ferrari is still faster, it has the most capability.

 

So if you care capable, the system you choose will set your limit.

 

Remember and this is imortant. its liek you you set a lap time in a celica and then in a ferrari, you will be faster in the ferrari unless you are a freak.lol

[Drunken Monkey]

of course it'd be me,

 

i'm one of the few people here who will be up at the same times as you.

 

anyway.

 

it has the most potential

 

but the potential has to be realised by the user.

 

like i said, bjj has potential,

 

but i would say that it is too focused on one thing.

 

logically, something else that covers more also has potential, in fact more so because it is more comprehensive.

 

as for the ferrari always setting faster lap times...

 

that's questionable.

 

have you ever tried to drive fast in a ferrari?

 

it's not easy.

 

my first half hour involved 4 spins from which i could not recover and 2 slides into gravel.

 

my best lap of the session was not that much faster then my previous laps in the evo (i should add that the evo was much easier to drive)

 

i have never driven a celica.

 

[Mart]

trust you to have driven a ferrari.

 

I agree BJJ is not best placed in stand up and multiple attackers, im not going to try and defend that point, 'reads back to see what we were talking about in the first place'lol

 

i think the guy who said he would beat the bjj guy did karate or something, he implies he will win based on system, thats how i read it, so i disagree, i think he will lose,

 

Monkey , fancy catching a thai boxing show over the summer some time?

[Drunken Monkey]

snetterton...

 

it was amazing.

 

my post-grad present!

 

anyway.

 

let me know and i'll see if i'm free.

 

what's going on?

 

hey, one of the boys from the KO gym is having boxing match this week i think, on the A13 somewhere.

 

can't quite remember the details...

[Mart]

yeah at the little chef junction 11 lol.

 

I think that all just happened , i was gutted this weekend had some good shows and i missed them.

 

Not sure whats coming up but usually the good shows are around August.

[Drunken Monkey]

i just remember something about a pub/tavern no the A1306(7?) that used to just be A13....

 

in the depths of essex, where all of these things seem to take place!

 

my back yard!