Traditional vs Modern

[cross]

So when it comes time to defend myself I set upon that person a terrible force of will that only comes from the visualization of properly practicing kata.

 

Visualisation and application are 2 different things.

[SevenStar]

I like traditional because in kata I visualize doing horrible things to my attacker. This is crucial because it creates strength of spirit and a bloodlust that if fully unleashed in combat would overwhelm your average joe. That is not something you can aquire in sparring because you must maintain a level of respect for that person. My attacker in kata dies everytime and I kick him while he is down then I pick him up so I can hit him some more. So when it comes time to defend myself I set upon that person a terrible force of will that only comes from the visualization of properly practicing kata.

 

visualization is no good if you can't actually DO it...

[ramymensa]

I'm into a TMA. So I stick to it. If trained properly the results would be good. If not, the most rounded style would do nothing. When a practitioner stinks, the style really doesn't matter.

[aefibird]

True. it's not so much the art but the artist...

 

You can train in the greatest style in the world but if you or, more importantly, your teacher suck then there's not a lot of point in training.

[kotegashiNeo]

So how do practice neck breaks and nikuite to the throat? I train with strength in mind and many variations at my comand many techniques like cross arm lock and triangle chokes. I knew someone out there was gonna miss the point altogether and I am not suprised that one of you is a BJJ practioner. What I am talking about is stength of spirit that I gain from kata it is like nothing else I experienced. I trained muay thai and BJJ and it is similar to the spirit aquirred from randori or ring work but much more animalistic not to say more practical just more intense.

[cross]

All Sevenstar and I said was:

 

Theres a DIFFERENCE between visualisation and application.

 

You can visualise all you want but unless you can do the techniques against a resisting opponent, it means nothing.

[Ironberg]

Traditional arts are not ineffective in real life - it's just that the learning curve for "reality training" is much more shallow that arts such as Krav Maga (by around two years on avarage).

[trekmann]

I went modern, as at my dojo we learn quite a few self-defence techniques. Forgive my lack of knowledge, but do the more traditional styles such as Shotokan or Kyokushin etc incorporate modern self-defence techniques into their curriculum?

[italian_guy]

I think it depends also on how long you trained.

 

I think below let's say 2 years of practice modern martial arts are better for self defence. Because you practice fewer strikes (just the one needed)do more conditioning, do not learn forms. For the long term a traditional martial art (if the teacher and the student are good) can give you also great self defence skills but I think it takes more time.