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A good portion of WSM and pro bodybuilders ARE ON STEROIDS. Please, guys...come on. Some of these guys would love for you to believe they're "natural", and they'll lie thru their teeth to make you fall for that. When I say good portion, I would venture to say 70% or higher...conservatively! Trust me on this, I know how to identify steroid/growth hormone abusers pretty well...I have been a bodybuilder and I have even tried some steriods a long time ago. Steroid abusers are identified by these factors:

 

1) Excessive acne on the face and on the primarily the back.

 

2) Gynecomastia (swollen nipple area/ breast tissue development)

 

3) Distended belly due to excessive water retention/abdominal overdevelopment

 

4) Excessively large trapezius development in proportion to body (this is not always a primary factor)

 

5) Abnormal facial/maxillary bone development, particulary the jawbone and forehead (indicitave of GH abuse).

 

If you look at the guys who participate in WSM competitions, about 70% of the guys have these "symptoms". Pro bodybuilders like Dorian Yates, Paul DeMayo, etc. have significant abdominal protrusions. A large portion of these guys are steriod users. I give more credit to the WSM guys, because some of them are truly largely built strong Europeans. I know you'd like to believe it is possible to get a physique like Yates' by eating right and lifting 5 hours a day, but that is what causes a lot of frustration amongst bodybuilders (I was there once), since all that hard work never gives you the physique you see in the mags. YOU CANT OBTAIN THOSE MONSTER PHYSIQUES WITHOUT ROIDS. Heck, even the UFC/MMA guys are juicing (Tim Sylvia, and who knows who else). If you want to see examples of what is realistic for bodybuilders, look at the Men's Health or MuscleMedia magazines. Those guys have physiques that are realistically obtainable by non-genetically gifted guys.[/i]

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But surely they peform drugs tests in WSM, its unlikely that the UFC or MMA perform drugs tests, I think for all International sporting competitions drugs tests should be compulsory.

"When my enemy contracts I expand and when he expands I contract" - Bruce Lee

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Yes, the UFC/MMA competitions do have RANDOM drug tests. Random means if someone in charge of UFC feels someone has made significant gains recently that look like steroids are involved, they will test those individuals. Not everyone who competes is tested. It's not like they have the money or resources to test everyone who wants to fight. The same goes for WSM. Check out this article as an example:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/northamptonshire/3022524.stm

 

WSM doesn't have any steroid testing; again it is purely random and at the behest of some of the "big wigs" if the need arises (which hardly ever happens). These guys also know how to cycle in order to avoid positive tests, or use drugs that are not yet banned/ tested for by the general testing community. Some guys, like Magnus Ver Magnusson and Kazmaier have juiced. No doubt. Look at some of Magnus' earlier pictures; he was small and barely muscular. Just a few years later, he was the size of a grizzly. And he owes it all to "supplements"....bull. Guys like Anthony Clark, are actually true strongmen. Anthony doesn't have telltale signs of roid use, although that doesn't say he hasn't touched the stuff ever. But he's a lot more believable than the other guys. Don't get roped in by all those "Muscular Development" mags and pro bodybuilder speeches. Be the best you can be without DRUGS. You'll be a lot happier, and your liver will thank you for it.

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Christ, there must be some pretty bad side effects if it drives u to hang ur self.

"When my enemy contracts I expand and when he expands I contract" - Bruce Lee

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Its all about muscletech!!! :D jk

:D :D :D :D

 

Wanna make a cool million? Throw some herbs in a bucket with some protein, get Magnus to promote it, and sell it for $50 a pop. Suckers will buy the stuff like it's hotcakes.

 

Rich2k3, the side effects of steroids are numerous and can be fatal. Liver disease, heart disease, and kidney failure are commonplace in hard users. The other ones, like gynecomastia (bitch */men with breasts), impotency (your balls shrink and your own testosterone production comes to a crawl) and roid rage are usually the ones that'll put you into depression.

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You know...I actually tried muscletech. I had my biggest gains while using Nitrotech and Celltech...however, their serving sizes are enourmous, that's part of hte reason. It is SO overpriced its ridiculous, not to mention tastes horrible. But heck, two scoops of muscletech four times a day, plus two scoops of cell tech twice a day...heck yah you're gonna get big. too bad it has the opposite effect on your wallet, and isn't really any better than generic whey protein or generic creatine.

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