Karateka_latino Posted October 31, 2001 Posted October 31, 2001 I think the Crosstraining have to be with ranges and distances. its not.."I'll be a karate bb, and a tkd bb, and a judo bb and wushu bb".. I'm agree that for a beginner is better have a base style first, then look the Stong and weak point of the style and then look the styles to improve that weakness... not the weakness of the style , but what YOU need to be complete. Also, don't be concern about getting a black belt in each style you crosstrain. Worry for improve your skill.
taezee Posted October 31, 2001 Posted October 31, 2001 good point submission..you dont have to achieve a black belt in each style..as a matter of fact you dont have to be a black belt in any style to be an effective fighter (im sure we all know blackbelts who coudnt put up a fight with a little girl) the whole point of cross training is to take what works and implement that into youre arsenal.....example a front kick....alot of martial artist think a front kick is too basic..they might not use it because it doesnt look fancy.....its still one of the most easy to use kicks and if you know how to put your body behind it very powerful...but instead of developing this further they wanna rush in and learn..spinning wheel kicks or jumping flying side kicks..kicks which are difficult to land (although in the movies they never miss) its better to develop techniques which you know will work rather then those which may..(id rather have a front kick that i know will find its target 85% of the time than a jumping wheel kick that may only find it 50% of the time)and this type of training or selective cross training is where you will benifit most in becoming an actual fighter...which is more important than being able to tell everyone that you hold a black belt... Javier l Rosario instructor taekwondo/hapkidounder master Atef s Himaya"whenever youre lazy enough not to train .someone, somewhere is training very hard to kick your *"
Karateka_latino Posted October 31, 2001 Posted October 31, 2001 Yes, I think the same.. Keep it simple. I just wonder.. how can some people do to archive 7 black belts in diferent martial arts??. 7 black belts with DANS, 4 dan karate, 5 dan TKD, 7 dan hapkido, 4 dan Judo, 4 dan Jiujitsu??? I mean, that people don't have a job, a wife, childrens, a Life? How much they really train to be effective on each style they claim to know? If you have spend a life time to archive a high dan , almost 20 years to reach a 4 dan.. Then I wonder how old are this people? 500 years Old??.
ChangWuJi Posted November 4, 2001 Posted November 4, 2001 I guess it depends on the systems and if you can keep them seperate. For example if you're learning systems like Hung ga and Dragon, very different in body postures theories,and stances. When you start trying to mix them then you take away from the essence of it style or cant keep them seperate. hung ga and Choy Li Fut could work very well together, remember Jow ga has elements of both already. i think that practicing more than 1 style at the same time can be right as well as wrong, it depends on what you consider. besides this open minded statement, I would choose the second choice, considering it wrong because: 1) nowadays most of people can't practice martial arts 10 hours a day. 2) if ones has a little quantity of time to practice, how can they practice 2 or 3 different martial arts? how can they "breath" the principles contained within them (sometimes very different) without confusion? movements can be learnt, but different principles of complete martial arts cannot be used at the same time. 3)afterall, in a hypothetic fighting situation, your kung fu has to come out from you... what will come out if you practice 2 or 3 styles... a mix? a good mix? or a bad one? 4) why to practice more than 1 style? if you practice a complete style (as most of them are!) you don't need to practice two style, in one style you can find whatever you need for your life and beyond! It's just our mind which pushes us to practice more than 1 style, because our mind is always "thirsty": it needs to learn new things again and again, never satisfied of what it already has got...don't forget that a practicer can be invincible with just one style... it doesn't depend on movements, but on how we are able to get into a style. [ This Message was edited by: ChangWuJi on 2001-11-03 21:10 ] "There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level."
Karateka Posted November 4, 2001 Posted November 4, 2001 It is nice to go out and try new things. Those new things may provide an insight that your old style may not have developed. "Never hit a man while he's down; kick him, its easier"Sensei Ron Bagley (My Sensei)
ChangWuJi Posted November 8, 2001 Posted November 8, 2001 "A student may someday be called upon to teach his particular style, which he must honor by teaching what he has learned to be traditional aspects of his style. Without this loyalty, a style will undergo as many changes as there are instructrs; in time the establishment forms which have been proven effective and which have identified the style through the ages will dissapear. The death of the style will surely come about if this hapens. There is always room for innovation, but innovation must occur within the context of an etablished tradition" Yang Jwing-Ming -Shaolin Long Fist "There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level."
SaiFightsMS Posted November 8, 2001 Posted November 8, 2001 Interesting thought ChangWuJi. I so see great value in what you said. There are so many points to an issue. One of the things I am coming to appreciate about this board is the diversity in the back ground of the participants.
hanksohn Posted November 15, 2001 Posted November 15, 2001 Crosstraining is cool and a valuble way to improve your skills. But.... Know what you're doing. either a really solid base (4-5 years in an art) or let the instructors know what you are doing. I teach a static covered guard. no need to block because the primary targets are offline or covered. A student of mine went off and studied WC for a summer. Great art!! Loved it myself for the brief time I studied it. Problem is it is an open stance style that requires a more active defense. The 2 can be used in concert but you have to really understand the distinctions and the reasoning behind them or you just end up with 2 piles of crap. He gotten eaten up for 2 months until he and I worked specifically on how to incorporate the other stuff. On his own, he never would have gotten it. He knew some stuff but didn't really have that solid base to work out the kinks in crosstraining.
SaiFightsMS Posted November 15, 2001 Posted November 15, 2001 Welcome to the boards Hanksohn. I have heard it said that a person with about 2 years of training is possibly the most dangerous. They know enough to get into trouble with. Crosstraining without a good base is bound to cause problems.
Joecooke007 Posted November 25, 2001 Posted November 25, 2001 Crosstraining can be good and bad. If you are sparring you will get the best of both worlds. Actually now that i think about it, crosstraining is not bad at all. Boards don't hit back. -Bruce Lee
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