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good luck, let us know how it is!
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Read my Website to learn the basics on Kyokushin. there are lots of websites on both styeles. If you can, observe a few classes in both. but yes, the most glaring differences will be in the Kumite for the most part. Regards,
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Rank is Style specific. no one takes away your old rank. you are still ranked in your previous style. you just have to earn your new rank in your new style.
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It really depends on the norm in your dojo that you train in. I could say it is about three months for low kyu ranks, but many systems also have total time in training, time in rank, age, kihon, kata, and kumite requirements etc. most systems, as you go up in rank, the time between possible ranking becomes more and more, especially after Shodan. Yes, of course technical profiecency is important but it is not the only piece of the pie. and there is wide variation across dojo, organizations, styles, teachers, etc. good luck P.S. did you get any literature from your dojo? sometimes it is spelled out for you.
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As I mentioned in the other thread you started: "they include some weapons training such as Nunchaku, Sai and Bo" for gun and knife, most likely it is included in their self defense training. I would imagine it is not overly emphasized though. you could find out quickly from the Sensei of the Dojo near you.
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as a good show of ettiqute, offer to wear a white belt and let the instructor decide how to handle it.
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Well, I can answer as best as I can from my perspective. of course I love Kyokushin, and World Oyama at its core is very similar. Good hard style. no point fighting. no tag. * Kumite is knockdown oriented. * Kihon is kinda sorta similar to Shotokan * Kata start out similar to Shotokan, and then progress to more Goju-Based type forms (Tensho, Sanshin, Seienchin) Training will be hard. you will sweat a lot. you will get bruised up. you will get hit, and you will hit other people. They might break you in progressively, or not, depends on the Dojo. The syllabus will be large, with many kata, many kihon, and lots of stuff to remember and eventually do well. to get to Shodan will take (Approx) 4-5 years IF you train consistently and practice A LOT. Not many people make it to Shodan in these types of styles. it can take 5-10 year too, depends on your instructor. Sure it is good for self defense. But like many systems based on Classical martial arts it will take a while. If you go train 3-6 months not much will sink in. If you stick around 3-6 years, you will learn a great deal of self defense. if you want straight self defense and want it quick – sign up for Krav Maga and skip most forms of karate. if you are in it for the long haul, World Oyama would be a fine style. Most classes will likely be an hour and a half and meet 2-3 X a week. To get your shodan (assuming you meet all other requirements), you will probably have to run all the kihon you know by then, run the 20+ kata you will know, do a bunch of board breaking, demonstrate self defense, and fight probably 10 fresh opponents (usually equal or higher ranks) at full contact – knockdown rules. I would suggest watching a few classes and see if this is how you want to train. Some schools will emphasize fighter training, and not spend as much time on the fundamentals or on Kata interpretation. depends. of course you will also learn some Kobudo along the way. World Oyama Karate is a good old Full Contact Japanese style karate. Check out a couple of their videos, read their book “Perfect Karate”. Their next tournament is not for a while yet (Dec) but you could check that out too. http://www.brooknet.com/oyama/OYAMA_Calendar.html I have a friend who trains at their headquarters in NY, and they are very happy with the training they are receiving. good luck
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what is it that you want to know?
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what is it that you want to know?
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Students start working on Sanchin at about 6th Kyu. (typical time in training would be approx 1.5 years) We train in Kyokushin karate. Sanchin kata uses Ibuki breathing.
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those are typical tournament rules. Not all dojo sparring is like that though. for training, gear may be worn, matches might be tw minutes, or six contact may be less than full. extra gear might be worn. for practice, grabs may be employed etc etc. but yes, for competition, the one you have posted are pretty standard.
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World Oyama Karate is the name of the style. Founded by Shigeru Oyama around 20 years ago. Stylistically very similar to Kyokushin. Shigeru Oyama was one of the early Kyokushin people, but broke away from the main Kyokushin organization. He was not related to masutatsu Oyama by blood. anyway he runs World Oyama with his brother . for more information on the style, go to: http://www.brooknet.com/oyama/index.html which will answer some of your questions. they inclide some weapons training such as Nunchaku, Sai and Bo. simialr kata as kyokushin and a couple of forms unique to their style. I have watched a few classes and watched some of their competitions. If you are looking for Knockdown training, you will probably be pretty happy. good stuff. Paul
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thanks for the link! Good info
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there are quite a few cool things on that website as well as the video clips. http://www.kyokushinmail.com/ good information.
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there is also one particular style of kempo called Byakuren Kaikan Karate Kempo which does Knockdown fighting for its sport and also has softer "aikido-ish " side as well. its all good
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the kempo fighter in the early UFC was named Keith Hackney.
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i guess it also depends on if there is a Kyokushin Dojo with in a reasonable distance from you. The style is not very prevelant in the midwest of the US
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Look at the thread on Full Contact Karate for a reference point on what that means in the Kyokushin Style. It can be misleading, as even things like the Mixed Martial Arts / No Holds Barred events have some rules and are not “Full Contact” In the Kyokushin world it means kicks and punches are thrown with full power. but some areas are off limits. i.e., all the things you list. Current Kyokushin rules do not allow punches to the face, but the body is pummeled. Kicks can go to the legs, body, and head. no grabs or throws are allowed either. It is also called Full Contact as no protective equipment is worn on the hands or feet. although I noticed in the video of Kazumi’s 100 man, he was allowed to wear shin pads.
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Kazumi 100 man kumite and Matsui 100 man Kumite are on sale on Ebay right now for example. of the tapes i have seen, the Filho 100 man is most likely the best of the videos available. he is incredible, both in karate and K-1.