Knockdown

That pretty much confirms a lot of what I have thought about the Oyama lineage styles.

is this where the style bashing starts?

You'll love kyokushin. It's a different style for sure, but many things are similar. In my dojo we are influanced by full contact karate but stick to our shotokan syllabus. I say go for it, even if they make you wear white, it won't be for long.

thank you for mentioning the Syllabus. this may be

helpful for the original individual asking the question:

http://www.pris.bc.ca/karate/adultsyllabus.htm

Typical Kyokushin Syllabus and the one we follow

in my dojo as well.

Regards,

Actually there are a number of differences. While Oyama did study goju and shotokan, he modified his system quite a bit. In kyokushin, their delivery of the roundhouse kick is different. they also have no pads and full contact sparring from the start. They clinch and knee a lot also. There training methods are very intense. As I have fought in about 75 sabaki/kyokushin style matches, I can give you more details. Feel free to email me at ichibushi@hotmail.com

Actually by current Kyokushin Competition rules

there is no clinching. Kneeing allowed obviously

but for tournament fighting, NO grabbing. This

may not enforced in the Dojo though.

Shidokan, SeidoKaiKan, etc will still allow it.

Hi i´ve training Shotokan since 1990, since i move to another city i coulnd´t keep on trinning because there was no Shotokan Dojos around.

 

But there where a few of kyokushin Kai Karate , Im trinning that style since then. So here are a few questions:

 

- Do I have to start all over from white belt?

 

- Is there a real diference in the techniques? (couldnt se any)

 

- Is wrong for my original style to change to another?

 

Thank you...

 

OSSU....

In general ranks from other stylrs will not be transferable toa

Kyokushin Dojo. If you came from one of the offshoots of

Kyokushin, then maybe, or there may be a "probationary" time.

So, obviously, you always keep yoour rank in your root style,

no one is taking that away from you. But you really have no rank

In Kyokushin and you are starting over at 10th Kyu. This is the

way I handle it, and the way my seniors handle it. Due to some

overlap, you may indeed progress faster than a complete novice.

or the subtle and not so subtle) difference may drive you crazy

and actually slow down your progress

There will be differences. some very minor, and some almost

a whole different beast. Kihon may bear the most similarity.

I think an examle of Forefist Rising Block may be quite similar.

Front stance is more alike than not. but the more you get into

the new style you will see some changes. who knows which is

"right" or "Wrong" but if you are trying to learn a NEW style

to you, then the WHEN IN ROME saying will apply.

Changing from one style to another is a personal choice.

Since you have no Shotokan Dojo in your new area

your options become limited. some options [brainstorming]:

-train on your own all the time practicing what you know.

-make frequent trips to seminars and gatherings

-find training partners to do routines with

-quit training all together

-Open your own Shotokan Dojo

-train with the Kyokushin club once and a while

-fully embrace the (new to you) Kyokushin way.

-move to somewhere there is a Shotokan Doko.

good luck!

like i said in the other thread:

yes

although the same root kata

they will look different.

visit your local Kyokushin dojo and watch.

Since Mas Oyama trained in shotokan and Goju Ryu there are Katas from Both karate styles.

this is true. howeer he modified all of them

and they do not look quite the same as the

origanals. Seipai for example is barely recognizable,

while others are more similar. He also made up a

couple of his own such as Garyu "Reclining dragon"

yes

although the same root kata

they will look different.

visit your local Kyokushin dojo and watch.

as noted, get in close and pound the body.

angles and using circular movement may also help.

I am sure you will follow the links, but here is an example

http://www.wcnet.org/~thorese/workout.html

i have a schedule one more page in from that too!

i have a few pages on my website all about tournament prep.

http://www.wcnet.org/~thorese/sparring.html

I have lots of oher stuff too.

E-mail me and i will send you more.

Osu

here is the WKA site too:

http://www.wkausa.com/upcoming_events.htm

Anytime you want to compete, travel will be involved.

Probably one of the bigger organizations that sanctions

Amature events is the IKF. Their website is at:

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/

the USKBA does as well, but it is a little more regional

being located on the East coast, lots of fights in NJ and NY:

http://www.uskba.com/

the ISKA does too, but I think they are more geared to Pros:

http://www.iska.com/kickboxing/index.htm

the other thing you could do is check with individual Gyms

that host events. Duke Roufus is an example in the Midwest:

http://www.dukeroufusgym.com/events.html

Good Luck!

Oh, there is also the WKA, I do not have their link though.

if you heuury, you can make it to Denver tonight to

watch Duane Ludwig fight for a title!!!

he weighed in at 159 and his opponenet is 154.

should be a dynamite fight!

i can not predict a winner

http://www.rof-mma.com

for more info:

there are competitions all over.

check the IKF website

the ISKA website and the

whats the other one? USMTA or something like that.

written report http://www.k-1gp.net/b03_1231_2.htm

and a few photos as well.

How did Francois Botha do in this event? I'd be interested to see how a heavyweight contender, a Tyson opponent and a decent boxer did in this event.

 

Links for results anyone?

Botha lost a 3 round decision.

he is now 0-3 under k-1 rules.

full results Here:

http://www.k-1gp.net/b03_1231.htm

it was a K-1 MMA thing.

it was not a Pride FC event.

having seen the fight, it is nice to see Sapp finally throw a couple of

combinations, and finally start to use low kicks. I guess his training

with Sam Greco is starting to pay off. Still though, he just beat

someone with like 2 months training. not too much to brag about.

thanks for the link to the fight!

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this man is a TKD stylist who was in a couple of K-1 matches:

http://ko.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=185

I would guess there have been a few others as well,

but not sure of any right now.

they don't have weight classes?

No. it is in Japan. they do not have to go by the

Nevada state athletic commision or anything

I know this is a kickboxing, Boxing, and Muay Thai thread but I was wondering if there is any Tae Kwon Do fighters in K-1 or in MMA Competitions.

I dont know about MMA

I have seen a couple of TKD practitioners in the

K-1 MAX (The midleweight division) and they did

not fair very well.

Maybe Kyuk Too Ki produce some K-1 competitors

as i understand that is the Korean style of Kickboxing.

he is fighting a lightweight BJJ fighter ina mma match soon, should be interesting.

http://www.k-1usa.net/docs/k1_info/k1_mma_rules.asp

Should be "interesting"

if you want information on Butterbean, he has

been discussed to death on Sherdog the

last 6 months or so. Lots of threads after his

introduction to the K-1 format. i will paste in an

example, plus there were lots of other ones

especially after his fights with Fujimoto and Bernardo.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95157&highlight=butterbean

And no, i am not familiar with the WAA. You are quite

likely correct that it is some unknown boxing thing

Butterbean is BOXER

so you have to look at his pathetic boxing record

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=014536

he just crossed over to the new frreakshow version of K-1

this last year. He beat Fujimoto, and then was later

destroyed by Mike Bernardo.

in two days he will be fighting a man who he outweighs

by over 100%, but it will be under the K-1 MMA rules

and is not a Kickboxing match.

By the way, what is the WAA??

thanks

for information on Ashihara karate, go to

https://www.ashihara.com

this is the NIKO group which was founded

by the originator of the style - Ashihara.