Knockdown

Training for "full contact" is more similar to kickboxing training than it is to traditional karate.

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Kyoku = ultimate, Shin = truth.

This has not been updated for a few months but it will give you a feel for the knockdown tournament scene in the Eastern North America http://www.geocities.com/fighting_karate/

good luck. I hope you enjoy the training.

I dont think so. ask these guys http://www.realfightingdojo.com/ they are well connected with all the Full Contact practitioners in the area. tell em Paul sent ya Good luck.

it seems that you are mixing apples and oarnges here. in this thread no one was putting down point fighting. we were offering pointers for the transition to knockdown. at least initially. obviously the initial poster has been scared away with the thread drift. it is too bad.

it is unfortunate you do not know what you are talking about.

Yes, you will have to dramatically change the way you spar. do lots of combos in practice, and make sure to NOT pull your punches in a real match. PRACTICE to not punch people in the face. and really make sure you are comfortable avoiding, blocking, checking an taking low kicks. getting a point in point sparring is (as you know) worlds away from the KO of Knockdown fighting. I have done both and they are very very different. Good luck!

yea, i suppose three mainish ones http://www.australiankyokushin.com/flavours.shtml for more.

The organizations will continue to fragment. the Style will live on.

ShinSeikai is a splinter off of Seido. Seido Kai Kan changed their name to Shodo Kai Kan so as not to be confused with Seido Juku.

thanks for the link, looks like a great dojo!

Are you talking about htese LA guys? http://www.powerkarate.com/index2.html also, which tournament ? is it part of the Full Conact karate Assn? good luck, and have fun! Osu

For more information on WOK got to http://www.worldoyama.com/ hope this is helpful

EvilTed: Shihan Miura left the World Oyama Karate organization seveal years go. 2000, or maybe 2001. although he did help found the system with the Oyama brothers, he is no longer a part of it. his website is at: http://www.Miuradojo.com

sounds like a great plan! My understanding is that 40 years ago, Kyokushin practitioners had much better grappling skill. People like Bobby Lowe Shihan still do. But in general it is currently a weakness of the system and augmenting your Kyokushin with JJ is a great idea. BJJ or japanese JJ will depend on what is availabel near you. good luck! Osu!

2-3 X a week.

i have seen it. I think of it as a black mark on the history of Kyokushin. very old bear, muzzeled, being attacked by a man. meanwhile they have probably drugged the bear. pathetic attempt for PR of the style 30 years ago. I think that Willy Williams was a very strong fighter, and I would have rather watched him try the 100 man Kumite or something like that. the rest of the video is fun to watch. Sorry EvilTed, i guess we disagree on this one. Or maybe we do since you feel sorry for the bear. I dont think the bear was ever in danger of truly being harmed by the man, although you can see they have a firearm trained on the bear the whole time in case the bear gets too out of control. osu

Kyokushin Derivative. Traditional Kata, but they (for the most part) have removed the Knockdown kumite. The link you posted is pretty comprehensive.

obviously a highly personal decison must be made by you. If you have the time, $ and motivation, go for it. as you know, radical lifestyle changes would be involved. Definitely a thing for a "Young Lion" to do. Before you are tied down by finances, education, career, domestic commitments. do it when you are 20. you wont be able to at 30, and wont want to when you are 40. If you like that program, go for it. It is not the only uchi Deschi program for Kyokushin too. If you want, shop around as well.

This is one of those areas where there is just wide diversity in how it is handled in styles, and in each Dojo. Not to mention individual instructors. Some styles will put a big emphasis on sparring. Some dojo will. and the reality is that some do not. It sounds like your instructor does not. Perhaps he does not value it as a training tool. If there are members who have been there for years, and they seldom have sparred – it sounds highly unlikely that this will change in the immediate future. Past behavior is usually the best predictor of future behavior. In my school we spar 1-2 times a week. As a style, Kyokushin values Kumite. As an instructor, I enjoy drills to enhance sparring as well as actual sparring. So chances are good that 2 out of 3 classes will involve Kumite to some extent. But, Some clubs do not do sparring. To over-generalize, some of the really old school Okinawan styles do not use sparring. if your instructor does not value sparring, he will not start using it now. There is nothing wrong with that, it is the way that Sensei views the martial arts. I.E., I have a buddy who trained at a Okinawan Goju club for 2 years. The instructor really trained on in-depth Kata bunkai, two person drills, and other self defense applications. They never once did any sparring in the 2 years he was there. It was not even a matter of the students being “ready”. The Sensei just did not see it as an important activity and placed no emphasis on it at all. And for that Dojo, that was just fine. Personally, I agree with some of the previous statements that it takes a while to get people ready to spar. for most people, I wait about 3 months. That is not a hard and fast rule, just a general guideline I use. Some start in a month, others wont be ready after 4 months I have heard of some dojo that really do wait a year or two, but definitely not in Kyokushin. Anyway, If sparring is extremely important to you, then you will need another school to train at. That is just my 2 cents. But if you like what your instructor is teaching, and do not feel the need for Kumite, then there would be no need to go looking for another club to train at. Best of Luck.

You are welcome. the other person sometimes given credit for this is Kenji Kurosaki as he was the coach of the team to take on the Muay Thai Kickboxers in Thailand under Thai rules back in the 1960s. he also fought, but lost his particular bout.

http://www.kyokushinmail.com/pillars_royama01.html

thanks. Minneapolis/St. Paul