JerryLove

I watched the clip I have some issues, though they may be resolveable. You start with one hand on the elbow-chokepoint, but when the swing starts, you do nothing to control the attackers position. The attacker in this instance kinda "sticks a hand out" rather than actually throwing something. I also cannot say I ever agree with "backing up", which is exatly what you do when the attacker starts. your chose counter could have been nullified simply by the attacker being aggressive (moving toward you while attacking). Lacking a committed attacker in teh demo, I don't see what you would or would not have done; and so cannot comment on that. you then reliy on a standing wrist/arm lock. In competition, these have been shown very far from reliable against trained opponents. Once he is down, the pin is not bad. I'm assuming you have a handcuff already on at the beginning and the hold at the end is based on the cuffs being on both hands (otherwise I have sissue there). Mostly I would disagree with your choice to "back up" when confronted with a punch, your lack of any attemt to smother, and a bad "uke".

So you don't feel that BJJ trains good skills for keeping yourself upright and grappling? Or you simply believe its skills at such are inferior to the other arts you mentioned? Actually, based on your requirements, I'm gonna change my recommendation to some silats. I had originally excluded it for it's focus on the "fast kill" (I hear police can get in trouble for biteing), but the focus on upright grappling and taking down an opponent while remaining standing against single or multiple opponents would seem to fit your requirements well.

I'm unclear. You are trying to put handcuffs on a suspect. You've got him to the ground. You are standing. How do you complete te arrest witout at-least kneeling? My undersandting of the "95% of fights go to the ground" quote is that it was specifically from a police report, and was a direct result of officers being trained to take the fight to the ground.

Silat or Kali might be nice in those specific "mele against a knife" but in general, I would think the Jujitsu's, Systema, Sambo, perhaps even a good Akido would stand out. Of course, many arts have somthing to offer here.

I'm curious (if you don't mind). How did you find this site?

My first instinct here it to cry foul. There is a distinct lack of criteria in your request. Further, if one is seeking out competition martial artists, the organizers of th elarge competitions are available, accessable, and can be easily reasearched by picking up a copy of black-belt magazine. Lacking knowledge of what considerable reasources a news reasearcher would ahve at his disposal, I would still sumise that contacting the big tournaments and getting contact refernces from there would be far better than a ague solicitation of anyonomous posters from a BBS with no particular standing. That said, this sounds very much like a hoax.

I agree with you. And the claim that the 1500 or so styles of Silat spring from Wing-Chung is rediculious. WC is no where near old enough for a caategory that equates to "any combative system native to indonesia". I wouls say that you and I agree. There are similarities, there are differences. Sometimes a similarity is something the Chinese did that the indonesian's incorporated; somtimes it's something the inodnesians did that te chinese incorporated; sometimes they both got it from somewhere else, and sometimes it's simply parallel development.

How do you define "along side"? Most Silats were tribal, most Kung-fu were within the borders of China. Some arts were in areas with high trade, and would have had a lot of exposure to Chinese influences, some were in isolated backwaters. Some have direct Chinese liniages, some have none. Take a look at good, fighting from all-fours Harimau sometime and tell me how mch you think it resembles WC.

How I answer depends on how I take your question. If you are looking for weapon forms, then I agree with the Wushu suggestion. I think few arts have as many weapons forms, nor as pretty a weapons forms as Modern Wushu. If you are looking for weapon fighting arts, I'm a big fan of my own. I do also agree with the FMA reccomendation. Theres some nice work in Systema, and the fairbrane / Applegate WWII combatives as well.

You are discussing a subset. The Kuntao styes (as I mentioned in my dissertation) originate primarily with the Chinese imagrants into Indonesia. My teacher was well into Chinese arts before discovering Silat. Many of his teachers are Kuntao practitioners and so have strong Chinese influences themselves. There are some quality similarities. Though I see a great deal of diference, if (and I assume this from your name) you are doing Japanese arts, I can understand why we might look more like Wing Chun from your persepctive. That said, I believe all the clips I have up are from beginners (I believe the most experience person there is one year). I've been meaning to put up elements of what Phase 2 and Phase 3 (ciriculum is divided into pahses) fighting looks like.

My normal wear shoes are steel-toed. I do not recommend that you your your shin to absorb my kick. Perhaps you are thinking in terms of sparring where no one is wearing shoes. Does it work as well when you spar against a Muay thai guy who conditions his shins? or is this more a case of it working because your opponents are not competent to deal with it? That said. I prefer the knee-check, stop-kick, and moving (all options suggested here) over shin blocks. Tey way I have seen them used seems to make them rather predictable exploitable as well, but that's a different issue. The Big issue here is that you may (for example) block my steel-toes shoe with your shin. It won't hhurt me, but it may very-well break your shin.

There is a tremendous amount of variety in Indonesian fighting methods. They range from sports styles, to purely combative styles, to a style designed for a ritualistic challenge of a bridegroom for the bride. So I will talk in generalities. The Pentjak Silat styles are the indigenous styles which include cultural elements. Here is where you will find the wedding styles, the dance styles, and many of the sport styles. There are also quite a few fighting styles in here. The Pentjaks tend to prefer outside over inside fighting positions. They tend to go from open defensive postures to closed offensive postures. They will occasionally have mystical elements. The Poukilan Silat styles tend to be pure fighting styles without cultural elements. They tend to be direct and to the point. They tend towards close fighting (Poukilan means "impact"). They also tend to prefer outside positions. The Kuntao Silat styles are conglomerates of Indo and Chinese fighting methods. They tend more towards closed defensive postures that open to attack. They also tend more toward inside positions when fighting, preferring the availability of soft targets to the safety of outside positions. The Silats do have animal styles (Harimau (tiger) and Madi (monkey) being two of the better known). They have few if any unarmed styles. They tend to adapt rapidly. There is a tendency to throw out whatever becomes obsolete and add whatever becomes relevant. This is why most modern Silat schools to teach firearm retention and counter-firearm strategies, as well as more traditional weapons (knife, stick, spear). One noted difference between the Indo arts and the nearby Chinese arts is the tendency of the Indo arts to use already strong structures within the body (as opposed to the Chinese tradition of conditioning the body). This allowed the old, the young, the sick, and the wounded to effectively use these arts. With so many arts, there is a great deal of variation in training methods. Some schools teach Silat in a very conceptual way. Some are similar to classical Chinese or Japanese schools. Some teach it around the sparring (like kickboxing). Feel sure that there is a Silat school somewhere that matches your preferred training method. 0 Reposted from - http://www.clearsilat.com/silat/Articles/overview.htm

A dangerous question because it plays in generalities. Let me say that there are many hundred styles of Silat. They range from purely combative, to cerimonial; from extrememly demanding to extremely easy. That said. Kali is a fighting art which is inteneded to work with or without weapons, and tends to train weapon in hand. Silat is much the same except it is less common to train with a weapon in hand. There are differences to be sure, but with many styles of both art-goups, I'm sure I can find a kali and a silat that look more similar to one another than a given pair of either. In otherwords, there's no simple way to answer your question except to tell you that your belief that kali is an art which only trains how to fight with sticks is incorrect.

Pretty off-topic. No I am not.

Actually, I woud call your initial depicting "fancy". Take a look at Running-style / Horse style Baji sometime to get a reference on what I am comparing it to.

I've studied with Paul, and Victor, and enough with Williem that he can recite elements of my personal life. But thanks for the non-sequiter. Yes, Kali makes a great deal of sense. The FMA and IMA have a great deal in common, and I'm not suprised that stylized kali would look like styliized Silat to me.

I just threw up an example. While I disagree with you assertation that the Pukulan (which ever pukulan style you are thinking of) is neccessairily "faster" than Serak (or any of a hundred other Silats), I did not deliberately exclude it. My list was not intended to be comprehensive, just examplitory.

It is hollywood-do, but they are some of the better fight seens I've seen lately. Yes, I think a Silat (such as Serak) would be a good base art to fight similarly to that.

I've been doing Taiji for many years. I've also been doing qigong like Golden-bell lohan and iron palm. For mos tof those years, I did the visualizations, and I could see the impact of various thing (intent chaning effect of hitting, change in aggression, etc) but none that showed "chi" as anything other than an abstraction. My schools does a yearly Qigong healing workshop. In the workshop you spend 3 days playing with your energy and learning to work with the energy of others. At the urging of my instructor (and an offer to let me go for free) I took it. I decided that I would do my best to be accepting of the concept and went though the workshop. Afterwards, I had a good idea how to feel the energy of someone else and how to make alterations on it. Of course, this could be self-delusion, so I decided to create a double blind test... I enlisted the aid of some voulenteers (about 10 before I was done). In each case I told them I wanted to do a qigong thing, but not really what. I felt their energy and spelt out clearly to myself what I thought was wrong. I did what healing I could and made sure I was clear on what I thought I did. Then I asked them "how di you feel before, what did you feel during, and how do you feel now". I was careful to give no other prompting, nor suggestions as to what I had done (and the healing is done behind their back and without contact). Here were my results. I never felt something that was not reported to be there afterwards by the subject. I occasionally failed to find things that were reported. I was usually correct in my assessment of weather I had improved it (and when I was wrong, I ihad usually improved it where I had felt that I had not succeeded). I never recieved a false response regarding work (IOW, no one said they felt sensations in areas I was not working). What's my word on the internet worth? Nothing. I was a sceptic. I am a sceptic. But I have proven (in a test that you have no way of kniowing I did but me telling you) that it is there. I can find no way for it to be a response to suggestion or psycosematic. i firmy believe that, given access to teh same class, and a willingness to try, you could perform your own experiments to yield the same conclustion.

Like "things I might end up using" weapons? I have a couple of handguns (ranging from a .22 starters pistol to some 9mm and .40 cal personal weapons), I have a small collection of both fixed blades and folding knives. I also have some hunting rifles, some martial weapons I have played with over the years (nunchaku, three-section staff, etc), some collectors items (a few SE Asian Meteor swords, some museam replicas), a Bow or two and a bunch of sticks (some from FMA, some from my SCA days).

Coming in very late (been off boards since Oct). From what I can see here, I'm falling squarely in with Don. While there are exceptions to every rule, the preeminent weapon for personal combat is the firearm.

You seem to be contradicing yourself. First you go to the length of stating and supporting that hands are faster than feet, and then say that kickers should be faster than boxers. How would you expect to take a naturally slower (longer distance / greater weight) limb and build a strategy around a similarly trained person with a faster limb, which relied on greater speed?

I tend to agree. Simple poor balance and people colliding. He cited a police study on officers... who are trained to take arrests to the ground. It's a counter to a shoot. The short answer is you put your legs behind you so that your balance is very forward and your legs are out of reach. If your opponent is trained to take you to the ground, you better be experienced at stopping him. I don't think I can agree that, in general, having a deeper stance helps. Certainly legs spread apart seems to make takedowns easier. Kicking range is about 5 feet. That can be covered in a single step. You start your kick, before you can plant your foot, they have impacted you body-on-body. I don't think this is practical advice against someone trying to take you down. IME this does not work. Agree. IIRC, the MMA circuit is seeing a good number of knockouts by strikers with enough grappling experience to stay up.

If he is representing that your school gave him the BB, then you can infer that he is causeing your school monetary losses and sue him. If he is simply claiming to be a black-belt.. you are without legal remedy.

Professor is something you earn, people shouldn't call themselves professor? Ditto "captain", "doctor", "journeyman", etc.