bushido_man96

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I agree with MP here. What I've seen in my own TKD experience, is the perceived need to really drill and perfect techniques early and often. This is not a bad thing, but it isn't usually done in a way that is beneficial to learning self-defense. I think that from the first class, a student can be shown a technique, work some reps with it, and then be shown ways to apply it, with a partner, with some resistance, to begin learning good self-defense. Sure, some things will be rudimentary, and it may not be smooth, but at least you get started in the right direction.

I wasn't trying to point out your experiences in particular, Lupin1. You just happened to use the words that got my attention, and I wanted to focus on them. And then there are the assumptions, like you mention, that are made through hearsay. Just some things that jumped out at me.

brickshooter: yes, it is competitive out there. And the fact that there are so many more involved in it now, we are going to see more mediocre level practitioners out there against all the really good ones. I'd consider myself rather mediocre, to be honest. I think we are beyond the point of calling MMA a fad now. Its well established, and it has been around for 20 plus years now, and really isn't fading. I wouldn't call it a fad anymore.

Sounds like you are having fun! Keep it up!

I like your Survival purpose. Not likely one of the favorites to do, but important, none the less. Another good one is a "Secret Mission" sparring. Each participant is given a specific technique they need to work and land, and the winner is declared when such person completes their "mission." This could also be extended to include certain strategies or tactics for each person to use, as opposed to a single technique. Combinations could be another variation.

This extra day off due to the weather is really going to play into the Card's favor, I think. If they can win on Thursday, then they come back with Carpenter on one more day's rest, and he maybe sharper that way. I hope it goes 7 games, either way.

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I see this a lot. "So many of them" equals how many of the ones you know of in your area, though? You admit you've seen one. Have you been to or checked all of the TKD schools in your area? What about Karate schools practicing XMA forms and weapons? Would they fall under that category, as well?

Keeping this in mind, do you think it is possible for Shotokan schools to adapt to do some of the things that someone like Lyota Machida has done over the course of his training to keep with the spirit of Shotokan, as well as adapt to MMA?

I have to throw in my 2 cents here. This is an especially irksome issue for me. It appears that eveyone likes to "point west" when it comes to the watering down of styles. I don't think this is the case. Many westerners that brought an MA back, or start their own schools, are doing so under the premises taught to them by their eastern counterparts. They use ideas given to them by their eastern counterparts. If one wants to begin pointing to the watering down of arts like Karate, then I would have to say it has just as much to do with ideas from the east as it does from the west. It is true that western business models are a bit differnet than those in the east. You can't expect too many students to enroll in a class where they can expect to be beaten on for over an hour and a half per class, three nights per week. Not good business. Sure, you will probably end up with some good MAists there, physically, but likely not too many. Things have changed since the 50s and 60s, but overall, I think training has advanced and gotten better since that time. Likewise, the more people who get into something, get exposed to it, and go on to do their own thing with, you end up with some that aren't focusing on the same things the others are; it is possible to get less than stellar quality of instruction. And this is sad. But, all too often, the bad ones draw our focus, and then we assume there is more bad than good out there, when its just the bad that sticks out more.

Since you'll have a good base in a stand up style, I'd recommend getting into a grappling style of some kind, to help round out that area. It would be a good balance.

Its great to hear things are going well for you!

There are some books on agility you could look into that might give some ideas on training. Then, you can adapt the exercises to a Martial theme, and there you go. I've got a few on agility, but haven't been through them in a while. Like others have said, agility is about controlling your body position and movement while in motion, especially when interacting with outside forces. For example, football players when they are trying to fend off tackles. That's the kind of thing you want to think about.

Sitting down to watch a class or two is never a bad idea. You'll get a gist of what is expected, and what you can expect to do. You might even get to see some beginners in there, too. Or, it might appear to be something you don't want to be a part of, and go on your way, as well.

Pankration developed for a long time in ancient times, we've had 20 years. i'll bet they were more refined then than you imagine. You are probably right. I may have misled; I wasn't trying to make ancient Pankration appear to be a rudimentary style or anything like that. I just think that with today's training methods for both fighting and supplemental health, such as cardio and strength, that it is likely more refined as a style now. Just my thoughts, though.

Pankration, in the ancient Olympic sense, could be looked at as the first form of MMA competition. Hellenic Boxing and Wrestling were games before Pankration; it was basically a hybrid of the two. As for similarities and differences go, I'd say they would be limited more to the times they are/were done in. Probably some rules differences, to be certain. I think MMA today is more refined, just from the evolution of the style over the last 20 plus years.

Yes, good point, tg. An Aikidoka I trained with told me the same thing, and it is something that I noticed I really had to focus on more in Aikido then I have in TKD; being smooth. Good point.

Good points, tallgeese. I do think the fact that he was not expecting resistance like that made a difference. Overall, a lot to learn in this encounter.

With Martial Arts, it starts with identifying the movement you want to do faster, then focusing on it, breaking it down, and doing specific training to speed up the movement. I'll use a side kick as an example. There are 4 basic parts to this kick; chamber, extension, re-chamber, and return to the floor. Identifying these 4 sections, now I can focus on the first one, the chamber. I'll work on getting the knee up, and the leg into kicking position. Basically, now, I can focus on getting to this position until I feel comfortable with it, then move onto the next part, the kick. And so on. That would be the first stage of training. Once I feel comfortable with the kick, I can do different kicking drills to work the whole technique, or things like plyometrics or knee burst to work specific parts. That's it, in a nutshell. Identify the movement, focus on it, and then work it over and over. Building strength and flexibility along the way are also necessary to supplement the training. I hope that helps some. Let us know if you have other questions.

I can understand your feeling, being depressed about not being able to do something you used to be able to do. But I would urge you not to give up. Take up the challenge before you, and strive to be the best you can be. Try to figure out how to adapt to your condition, and attack it to overcome it. It would be a tough road, but one worth travelling.

The World Series is set: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Texas Rangers. Who you got, and in how many games? I think the Rangers get it this year, and lets just say we go the distance to 7 games.

Thanks for clearing that up, MP. Like I said, its been so long since I've seen it, I've forgotten which it was. Good stuff, though. If I ever get to see it again, my life might be complete. Not sure I could get the wife to sit through it with me, though...