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You actually think that just because you advertise big, that means you have to be "only caring about money" or teach like a mcdojo? Advertising is one thing, masses is another, and teaching quality is another. They dont have to directly affect each other. Ive seen very large schools that had excellent students. It can be done, Im doing it now. I hope "traditional" doesnt always mean "small" and "broke". Because Ive seen "traditional" be large and rich. It doesnt ean he nly cares about money, It just means he know you dont have to be poor to be a "real school". You know what Im saying? Please believe it can be done, otherwise your limiting yourself, and pigeonholing your mind into thinking "only poor schools can be good, so Ill be poor". "If I care about money AT ALL, Im selling out and am a McDojo" Mcdojo, and poor quality have nothing to do with how many students you have. I gurantee mcdojos were mcdojos when they first started and had 20 students.

I dont think people want quick results...thats just what they get, because thats the schools that advertise effectivly. Thats what they get because thats all they know. See my post on pg.3 That kind of thinking that "only special people will last at a good school" or "they want quick results" , is whats going to keep small schools small and keep mcdojos in business. The masses cant come to you, and you cant expose the mcdojos as frauds to them, if they dont know you exsist.

Thanks for the info. Ive tried to web search it, and didnt come up with what I want, so these will be good to look at. Im looking for a group thats just interested in alliance. I think maby by the end, Ill be buying the certificate CD from century until I can promotemy studens from my ORg. Keep them comig though if possible. Thanks

I dont think so. I think McDojos just advertise to the masses. So, thats where the masses go.

Hey, I ve been part of a Large org. for 15 years now. I have had to deal with sooooo much politics that it really drives me crazy. Also, everything is WAY too expensive. In order to open a school I have to be "certified" (I have been a "trainee instructor" for 9 years now ) which costs about $1000. Then I have to buy a school license for $1000. Its crazy. They "certify" anybody with the money in my opinion. I need a TKD Org. that wont make me do any certain forms, and wont charge me a arm and a leg to promote to my next DAN. I also just started a club, and want to be able to promote my students without all the politics. For Loyalty reasons, I will adventually pay the fee and stay with the large org. but until I can I need help. I do Taekwondo....can anybody help me here... We have our first testing coming up in a month. Thanks

You want to put Mcdojo's out of business? It wont happen over night, but start with yourself. And I dont mean keep doing what your doing. I mean Learn the Mcdojo way, and use it for good..then eliminate the bad...and insert the quality. Go to the seminars, aggressivly prospect students, put money back into advertising, learn to teach all ages by attending MA teaching classes/seminars, Get the red/white/blue paint and go to town. Its all a image. Its a image that Americans like...its flashy, comfortable, rewarding with the stars and whistles...all the "good job johnnys" and positiver reinforcment. Actually sell the mcdojo image, but this is whats different.... Run the floor like a "good" school. Dont sell out on your students....be there for every correction and to push them hard. Your style of actually caring about the student and their ability in MA is what makes you better than the mcdojo. Its just noody ever gets a chance to see it, and you dont let them because you dont want to "look" or "sound" like a mcdojo in advertisments. Thats what people want to see nowdays....the smiling kid in the ad, not the hardcore blackbelt with boxing gloves on. Use the mcdojo way to advertise and seem like a "big player school". Even use some of the programs and teaching styles...just take out "easy and fast" and insert "hard work and caring". Use the mcdojo way to let the pubic know your not a "dungeon school" then introduce them to hard work and caring. They will love you for it and the local Mcdojo will be exposed. But you cant do it with 20 students..use their best asset...the advertising campaign and "the look".

Weight lifting DEFINETLY builds power and strength in the MA. They work the same fibers. As far as the squats, weighted squats would be much better. If one quy did these for a month, and another did weighted (assuming guys are equal size/strength to start with) then the weighted squat guy would be stronger, and have developed more strength. By far. I would bet money on that.

He was Kidding.... "It could easily kill you" HAHAHAHAHA

I have a very small school right now. The workout floor is only 200sq.ft. so the parents are almost (literally) sitting on the workout space. This makes the kids stare at their parents all class, and the parents gesture and shout to the kids. Its completly disruptive. It doesnt happen always, but definetly enough. Thats why Im so glad we are moving. This place is going to be a carpeted gymnasium with a office and everything. The parents will sit on the bleachers, FAR away from the class, and It will start to feel more like a big school. Definely no more paren problems. I to always correct them when they would dothis, and it caused tension and stress. This will be great.

I think your a little late.

I have been teaching for a long time also (15 years), and while I find that my classes are of excellent quality without a plan, with a lesson plan they are even better. I have one lesson plan for each testing cycle, for each club. I have; Basic club (white-yellow) Black belt club (green-purple) masters club (blue-black) leadership club (instructor training...blue-black) I wont compromise the rank structure for the clubs no matter what. Its one thing that keeps me from becoming a mcdojo. Some schools I know of take white belts in their instructor training as long as they pay the $. I will not even take a withe belt out of basic. The plans are written out and posted on one sheet of paper and posted at the front of the dojang, so even he newest of helpers will be able to "know what they should do". The class structure is the same for all the clubs, just taught at different levels, or with ore material as they progress. except the instructor training/leadership club. That class is mostly a breakdown of 3-4 students performing "moch classes" and trying to practice the quality of instruction for that class. All other class structure is like this. Warm-up weapons forms bag/pad drill theme (BJJ,XMA,Boxing,Muai Thai, or traditional self defense. We spend a month on each and rotate) Boards Lifeskill discussion/awards Ever class follows this structure...however the way it is taught is independent of each intructor. However, Im the only instructor right now.

I think I would have made an example out of that parent too, by stopping class, looking back, and saying something like " we dont need that kind of language in here maam, please dont do that again". This would have stopped it. Unless of course whe was a little drunk, and generally not of the "classiest" people. Sometimes these parents come to you. In most cases though just pullthe parent into your office, and nicely explaing and ask not to disrupt the class. In my school, encouragement in sparring is somewhat ok, but not in regular class. Most parents just dont know the rules straight away, so they either have to learn or be told. again, for that situation though, I would have nipped that in the bud right there, because thats just unacceptable, even for a private class...much less a public one. Next time (if you didnt right then) make a public example of that, so there is no room for misundrstanding by her, or those hearing her.

Aodhan- 188/Arizona is a good region. Master Babin is a great guy from what I hear. Not one of those masters that takes himself too seriously. Thats probably why your contracts were able to transfer, less politics in good regions. As for me, it didnt have to do with a contract. I wasnt on contract. My not being able to test had to do with percieved disloyalty for wanting to expand my abilities as a instructor. I as a instructor, would of course accept if my student wanted to go somewhere to learn something I could not provide. However, as long as he came back when he was through learning, it would not be disloyal...as I did come back, and still have the same instructor. Everybody aventually flies from the coupe anyways though...you should expect seperation at some point as a instructor, and not see it as a slap in the face. This is my career...I cant just stay in one place, I have to learn...I did and its made me who I am today....and Im glad I did...even though I couldnt test for 7 years. Im done whining now.

sorry but that last post was a bit much. Were just expressing our opinions here. Adohan- There was nothing to my not testing other than what I said. What ATA region are you in?

I think over the years Bruce Lee has been shaded to dull. I have never, in my 21 years in MA, seen anybody even coming close to what Bruce Lee could do. If you dont know what Im talking about, you should do indepth research about his ABILITIES. I have never met anyone as fast, as dedicated to workout, as strong in fighting, as what I see from Bruce lee. p.s. Im not talking about the movies. he could do sitting V's for 30 min at a time. thats where he would sit down, push his butt off the ground wit his hands, with his legs straight and off the ground. He then would brng his legs up to a 45 degree angle and hold that position for 30 min or longer. You should try it. I can even get my legs at a angle, much less hold my bodyweight off the ground from that position for any amout of time. Its crazy and Bruce Lee was crazy good.