Daedalus

"Some" groundfighting is not enough to succeed in MMA competition. Grappling is the base of all fighting MMA has proven that.

In all honestly you could perform those techniques 1 million times and still not be able to use it on a Blue Belt level BJJ fighter. Why? Because your not doing any LIVE training. I have only been doing BJJ for 6 months but it has been 6 months of non-stop rolling, and I am confident going up against even a black belt in Traditional Jujitsu because I know they don't have nearly as much actually mat time as I have. Thier technique might be more pretty then mine but mine works and that is what counts(well atleast to me it does).

No they change levels and shoot in for the takedown. Usually it is the ones who ONLY practice taking and dodging strikes that find themselves in a world of hurt in a fight against a wrestler. Wrestling is the ultimate base for a martial artist because it teaches you how to control your opponent which is the first step to beating your opponent.

But the reality is you may get grabbed and thrown down to the ground by a larger person before you ever know a fight is on...especially if were talking about attacks and self defense situations. Yes you should avoid getting grabbed but if it does arise a good Aikidoka should be able to handle themselves. So there are gaurd sweeps, mount/backmout, etc escpapes and reversals in Aikido? No TJS there are no guard sweeps. As far as I know traditional Aikido schools do not even utilize the guard position AT ALL.

I'm very interested to know what school you trained at doing Muay Thai. Also where did you train your Karate. I used to train Wado Ryu Karate at the Scottsdale Martial Arts Center for about 3 years but have only been doing BJJ for less 6 months. I know without a shadow of a doubt I could take 80% of the people to the ground and sub them. I would say for every year of BJJ training I would need about 5 years of Wado Ryu to stand a chance. I'm not down playing my old style and am glad I attended the place because it really taught me discipline and how to handle myself on my feet. I currently attend Megaton Brazillian Jiu Jitsu academy and love it there. Anyway I doubt you will tell me where you trained for the mere fact that i think you made up that you trained in Muay Thai or simply will not post the school you trained at if you did infact train, because it was a cardio style class and didn't compete in actual Muay Thai bouts.

seen in more places than that. in pancrase, closed fist strikes aren't allowed. watch some of those. Specifically, watch some of bas rutten's matches. He is a master of the palm strike. No actually Pancrase no longer has a no closed fist striking rule. That is from very old matches(back in the Ruten and Shamrock days).P.S. The palm strike is HIGHLY overrated because any situation that allows for a palm strike would be better served with a liver shot with the fist or a punch to the jaw.

technically, no. muay thai was devised in the 1920's. it is an offshoot of the more traditional muay. Traditional muay today is taught as muay boran, but in the past, there were many - muay lon lon, mae mai, muay kaad cheurk, muay chaiya, etc. By that logic any style of Tae Kwon Do would be a non-traditional style because it's origins are much more recent then even the 1920's.

Well I have found that in grappling it has MUCH more to do with weight then it does height. But most of you guys are talking about striking.

Compared to those other styles Judo is BY FAR the most street effective. Just make sure they practice alot of Randori at the Judo school.

Definetly one of the best, THE best on the ground in my opinion especially as far as working from your back. Each style has a part of grappling it specializes at though. Judo has the most effective throws and takedowns with excellent top control and balance. Sambo has the focus on leg locks wrestling has the best No gi takedowns and proabably the best takedown defense. Aikido has aspects whitch would be excelent for law enforcement etc. Just my opinions. I have to disagree with you about Sambo. Although compared to BJJ and Judo they definitely spend more time on leg locks, leg locks are not neccessarily used more then armlocks or other submissions. I think people think Sambo is leglock oriented only because it stresses leglocks MORE then other styles not because it is their bread and butter submissions.

Good point man. I also do BJJ and I find that being a student of grappling makes it so much easier to not only keep others from taking you down but also to get back up more quickly when you are on the ground.

Sounds like you would be alot better off if you eliminated TKD and Kung Fu from your training, and added MMA sparring into the time you used to use for those. Other then that it sounds like you are on your way to competing man. Good luck.

This doesn't make any sense...it sounds to me like exactly what you shouldn't do...Anyway just drill the basics like sprawling, and if he puts his head down sink in a guillotine.

First off it doesn't sound like you have a handle on the basics if your not doing well in sparring. The first thing you should be learning is how to defend. Good technique=working technique. It doesn't matter how good something looks if it isn't effective no matter what some Karate Master says. Work on keeping you hands up and keeping the other guy from scoring. Learn basic punches first and really drill them good. Then move on to kicks once you can handle your hands and score with them.

So basically your saying that taking a neck crank beyond the point of submission is a lethal technique? Well then why not just take a choke beyond the point of pass-out and you'll get the same effect. And throwing someone of their head? You mean like a supplex? Yeha sure they can be fatal, but it's not like you can just pull it whenever you want. I bet 9/10 it wouldn't kill the guy. Why can't we just agree that randori is the best way to train but you should also study the more "fatal" techniques in case you ever need to use them.

If you have the chance to take it I would definitely go for it. In terms of street effectiveness I would rate it at the top 3 of TMAs.

Sounds like you need more then Kung Fu. That's not going to help you if your on the ground getting kicked. But BJJ/Muay Thai might be able to help you there. Kung Fu isn't as realistic in it's approach to self-defense. It is much more of a traditional Chinese art form(like dance) then fighting. Bring on the flames if you must but this sounds serious(getting beat up by multiple attackers) and this guy should know the truth.Agreed .. just one point you missed there , Muay tai is most effective while standing , but i don't think it include any ground fighting techniques .... If you would reread my post you would see that I said BJJ/Muay Thai which means a combination of Brazillian Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai. Obviously the BJJ would help you get back standing and the Muay Thai would help you escape from that mess.

Sounds like you need more then Kung Fu. That's not going to help you if your on the ground getting kicked. But BJJ/Muay Thai might be able to help you there. Kung Fu isn't as realistic in it's approach to self-defense. It is much more of a traditional Chinese art form(like dance) then fighting. Bring on the flames if you must but this sounds serious(getting beat up by multiple attackers) and this guy should know the truth.

I would use the BIG FOUR: Boxing, Wrestling, Muay Thai, and Brazillian Jiu Jitsu. Also I would incorporate Yoga into the training regimen for flexibility and concentration.

Be careful when looking for a Ninjitsu school, because the majority of them are not ligit. Anyway if your looking for something more street effective I would recommend boxing which I think would supplement your TKD quite well.

If you want Karate that is full contact your best bet would be looking for a Kyokushin school.

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Wrestling is an excellent base for anyone going into BJJ! if you can control people on the ground it will make your BJJ that much more effective.

Faces realy aren't all that hard except for the top of the forhead. Nothing I'm going to bust a knuckle over as long as I use reasonably good form. I'll keep elbows in mind. Thanks guys. Naw it is very likely that you could break a knuckle on or around the eye sockets. That part of the face is very sharp, that is why it is generally a better idea to go for the jaw(which is also more likely to knock him out).