Trock

Chokes are great, and I prefer them. But they took the choke (aka L.V.N.R.) away from most of us in Florida. The choke is now primarily for a deadly force encounter. In an active combat situation as a cop, ideally you want to create distance allowing you to transition to a secondary weapon (Taser, OC Spray, Baton, etc). If that's not possible, then you have to use the necessary force to stop the threat. Also things greatly change if the attacker attempts to take the officer's radio or any of his weapons...then it's game on. Most (MOST, not all) fights in a police capacity go to the ground for a brief time until a back-up officer arrives. The problem is most departments dont train a back-up officer what to do when they show up. If I am on the ground with a subject and primarily have his upper body controlled, then I want the second officer to immobilize the subject's legs. Restricting someone's lower body doesn't take much strength and its frustrating to the subject. If the top and bottom are controlled, then hopefully the third officer is close and can move in, handcuff one hand, and then use pain compliane with that one cuff to get the other hand secured. ThePhenom, your list isn't all that far off, and actually you're right...those skills would be great for every officer to know...even though some are not as practical as others. I wouldn't do a double leg takedown on the street, but I might inside a house where I have some carpeting and the room to do it without hurting me...screw the bad guy. Cops dont always have the opportunity to GnP, but it would still be GREAT to know for that one time you do need it. The elbows are a good skill though. I have seen many officers break their hand on a subject or even by missing the subject and punching the street. There are so many little bones in the hand, I would prefer to strike with the elbows and knees.

I have always admired Chuck's KO power...its a true art. But did you see the PRIDE fight with Chuck vs Quinton "Rampage" Jackson? I known it's old, but wow!...Rampage took it to him and won. It was kinda out of character from what I am use to seeing with Chuck.

Can anyone reccomend a school that focuses on throws, take-downs, joint-locks (Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, ect) in the Jacksonville/Orange Park, FL area?

Tape teh TKD (ladies) Olympic fights and watch them at 2X speed. It's hilarious....several minutes of hopping and bouncing...bout 15 seconds of actual contact. They look like little bunny rabbits.

http://www.fushinryukarate.org/ Bah...sorry for the double post

http://www.fushinryukarate.org/

I also watched the first fight b4 reading the replies....all I have to say is (and I quote) "hahahhaahahahahahahah". What the heck are they doing? Bounce, bounce, bounce...flex....[repeat][repeat] kick 1 time, hug...Bounce, bounce, bounce...flex....[repeat][repeat] I definitely think they have the "bouncing up and down on their toes" mastered. If thats the olympics, there is hope for me yet!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats what I ran into also.

Has anyone ever heard of or trained in "Fushin Ryu "? There is very limited information on it on the internet. I have a school in my area that teaches this MA. Any information would be appreciated.

Ah, because I live in the Jax area also and attend the Vovinam school in Orange Park. Not much of a selection in our area. I have to train during the day since I work at night. And it seems that most MA teachers work somewhere full-time and teach their MA classes at night. Master Vui (Vovinam teacher in Orange Park) is that only one that I have found that teaches full-time, and has the following to support that. To Shorin Ryuu-----Funny that the "Vietnamese" people that you know had no knowledge of Vovinam - translated as the MA of Viet Nam. Although now that I think about it, very few "Americans" know much about American history...so I guess it really doesn't surprise me .

Personally, I would stick with Shorin-ryu. I know that if it were available in my area I would be all into it. I have seen those guys in action and highly respect their skill and discipline You could try Muay Thai or Jeet Kune Do. Both are powerful and would fit the physical description you provided.

Just wanted to say that you actually speak for many people who feel the same way, but are not quite sure how to express themselves. I take MA for four basic reasons: 1. Self/family protection (although outside of work I have never been in a street fight in my adult life) 2. Fitness 3. The social part of it 4. I enjoy traditions (MA history, the katas/forms, etc) Anyway great post.

Would you be in the Jacksonville, FL area by chance? The problem is that very few people are aware of Vovinam. Vovinam mixes strikes/kicks, joint locks, and wrestling. It is a very powerful MA. Unlike many defensive MA's, Vovinam is just as much offense as defense...its very aggressive. I have taken TKD from an ATA school, and know first hand that they are more concerned about th $$ than proper trainaing. I was able to sit as a judge for one of their "black belt" testings (about 50 people being tested). In all seriousness, about 1 % percent had the skill level of what should be considered a "black belt". Anyway, do some heavy research on Vovinam. Many different MA's have used Vovinam techniques and principles...specifically Cuong Nhu.

Anyone know of a company that sells used wrestling mats...like for a home sparring area? I have seen a few on the web, but they start at about $500.00. Will mostly be used for ground fighting and falls, not for throwing...so they don't have to be super thick.

http://www.vovinam.com