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From outside, I'd kick his legs till he couldn't stand up. In close, I'd clinch and wear him out with knees and elbows. Boxing wasn't designed so much for combat as sport and these techniques would leave him without defense. You take a chance getting in close enough to clinch, but it would be worth it.

bring me to america i'll fight your bjj practitioner. Bring yourself to America and I'll gladly set it up for you.

In my case, I studied MT for about seven years before trying anything else with any real dedication. My opinion is that it's best to have one art become "second nature" so to speak before trying to incorporate the complimentary mechanics of another. That way, you're essentially starting off with the second, where you began with the first and the two won't conflict as much in your training. If that makes any sense.

I train four to six hours per week in Muay Thai and two hours per week in BJJ, in addition to about three hours per week weight training. Unless I'm training for a fight then it's about fifteen to twenty hours per week including running and weight training. When I'm training for a MT fight, I don't do BJJ at all. I just don't have time for it in that case.

I've had the opportunity to study some pressure point stuff through in-service training. Pressure points work very well if you can apply them. Applying them is the hard part. The only practical use for them that I have personally been able to find is that of gaining the cooperation of an already restrained person. Such as a mandibular angle to make someone stand up. Or a jugular notch to make someone sit down. It's very hard to get most pressure points on an individual who is in control of all his faculties. A knee to the common peronial, (or lateral femoral) is a good one that you can use in a fight though, as well as the brachial plexus. And a hard strike to the radial nerve will loosen anyones grip if done properly. In my opinion though it is too exact of an art to make it generally useful in a confrontation. Of course that is not to say you absolutely could not implement any of them. They are definately VERY useful. http://members.rogers.com/heritage-ma/PPSubmission.pdf here's a good link describing some of the PPS I've been exposed to. Please elaborate upon what this link does not mention as it regards your instruction.

that's cool, sounds interesting. If anyone has an example of the technique he mentioned, I'd really like to check it out.

I see your point. And I can see where my analogy is not a perfect fit, but I think it made my point nonetheless.

I think I know the technique you are speaking of, I saw it on a web site somewhere although I've been to so many KK websites recently that I really cannot remember where. The only problem I see with using this technique in MT is that because MT fighters are so well trained in the clinch, it's goin to be difficult to get a MT fighter of any skill to let you get his head the way that fighter got the other fighters head. Keep in mind, I may not be referring to the same technique you are. I would like to see that video though just to be sure. I do think however that it could easily be converted into a nice jumping round knee to the sternum.

Welcome to the forums, it's fun here!

I've trained at a few different camps in Thailand and the formost thing you need to do is be humble and respectful of the trainers there. Although that should go without saying. If they allow you to spar with them, spar lightly as thai's generally do. If you up the pace, they will match you and you are very likely to get hurt. I saw a guy from Italy I think it was, he sparred with one of the trainers in the camp I now go to when I visit BKK, he simply got scared and in doing so punched and kicked a little harder than he should have and the trainer took this as disrespect or something because he got very irritated and quickly played some of the cards 200+ fights had given him. The Italian fella did not fair so well and the arjarn actually had to intervene to keep the guy from getting seriously hurt. It was a pretty scary spectacle. The trainer was absolutely furious. Just don't go any harder than they do and you'll be fine. The trainers are actually quite gentle and I have never been injured in the least by any that I have had the honor of sparring with.

your foot should pivot as you kick, place it as said before at about ten o'clock, but don't stop there. As your kick continues towards, into and through the target, your foot should also pivot so that at the end of the kick your foot is facing almost completely away from the target. This will facilitate proper rotation of the hips. And don't kick your target, kick through your target. A proper round kick (in muay thai anyway), should arc so that the bony part of the shin is brought into contact with the target and not the muscular area on either side of it. Leg kicks are easiest to do this with as the arc does not need to go as high. The more you pivot your foot, the more your hips will rotate, i.e. the more power your kicks will have.

Certain sytems do have inherent advantages over other systems. i.e. BJJ and Muay Thai. MT: inherently has advantage standing up. BJJ: inherently has advantage on the ground.

stretching is always important no matter what physical activity you are engaged in as it tends to help the muscle to relax and get rid of excess acids that build up in the muscle with exertion, (lactic acid? can't remember.). Thereby reducing sorness and helping to prevent cramping and injury. However, flexibility is not so much a demand in MT as it is in some other MA's. I stretch for about five min or so before class, and about fifteen to twenty min after class. Generally, I think it's best to stretch more after the exertion while the muscle is still "warmed up". At least that's what my therapist friend told me. He's a PT/OT by the way if that means anything to anyone. I figure he knows more about it than I do, so I take his advice on matters such as this.

sorry dude, I get a bit defensive as I've been taking a beating in some of the other forums, I mistook you comment as being confrontational, no worries then.

I did not post this as a challenge to your grandfather, nor did I post it in order that one might think everything in history is absolute fact. I just thought it was a cool story... always have. And there are a lot of things about Muay Thai that are not known since the burning of Ayutthaya in 1768, when the royal arhcives were destroyed. I also never claimed to have more information than your grandfather not that it has anything to do with the post. Jeez, some of you people are just way too confrontational. Why does it matter where I got the article from? Just out of curiosity. I don't think I claimed it as an original work at any point. One more note; I also did not claim that this was a COMPLETE history of Muay Thai. note at the bottom it says "tid bit". That means a small amount.

Originally, Muay Thai was very brutal, even deadly. There were no weight categories, and few rules. There was also no padding or protection. Fighters wrapped their hands in either strips of horse hide or hemp rope to protect their hands and cause their opponent maximum damage. If both fighters agreed, they would sometimes dip their hands in a type of glue and then dip their hands in broken glass to cause severe cuts and bleeding during the fight. Fighters would wrap their ankles with cotton wrap and either wear coconut shells or triangular pillows for groin protection. In those days, many fighters died in the ring, especially from knees and elbows. Probably the most famous Thai fighter of all time is Nai Khanom Dtom. During the many wars with Burma, Muay Thai fights were still being held and Nai Khanom Dtom was known as the greatest fighter in all of Siam, the previous name of Thailand. The Burmese had heard of how great this fighter was so they captured him to pit him against 12 of Burma's greatest fighters. If he could defeat all 12, he would be allowed to go free. The day of the fight came and a stadium was filled with Burmese people all wanting to see the death of this Siamese fighter. The first fighter came out and was instantly killed by Nai Khanom Dtom's lethal elbows and knees. The next fighter came out and met the same fate. One by one each fighter came out and fought ferociously to their death. As the day wore on, nine fighters had been killed at the bare hands of Nai Khanom Dtom, but something strange had begun to happen. As the Burmese people watched this fighter struggle against the odds and battle each fighter without rest, they soon found themselves cheering for their enemy, Nai Khanom Dtom. At the end of the day, Nai Khanom Dtom stood among twelve lifeless bodies in the middle of the stadium. The crowd cheered and the King of Burma had no choice but to set him free. To this day Thai boxers dedicate on night each year to the memory of Nai Khanom Dtom. Just a tid bit of History for you Muay Thai buffs who may not have heard the story before.

I have; 1. an old WWII katana my grandfather got off a dead officer. 2. an old Hitler youth knife. (also compliments of my grandfather) 3. a 6' long bow (frontier design rather than oriental) 4. S&W .40 sigma 5. 2 glocks a 17c and a 30 6. Remington 870 12 ga. 7. 5' blow gun 8. several folding knives 9. USMC K-Bar fighting knife 10. S&W .357 mag revolver 11. Somali war club 12. hand made Somali Spear And that is all I'll admit to having.

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I would also concede to the fact that firarm use in it self could be considered a martial art. And I do consider it such. Just as a firearm is a weapon for one trained to use such implements, hands, feet, arms, legs etc are the weapons for wich more "traditional" Martial artists are tained. A gun is not much of a weapon unless one knows how to load, charge, aim, and fire it. There is a lot more to the tactical use of a firearm than just thrusting it in front of you and emptying the magazine. Just as a knee is not much of a weapon unless one knows how to employ it in a fight. There is a lot more to the proper use of knees in a fight than just raising your leg. Respectfully, JD

I've seen several here that I am not familiar with, and although that did catch my eye, I didn't want to say anything for fear of showing my ignorance.

I'm gonna have to agree...always to a point though... if two people are involved in combat with one another, the guy with the "killer instinct" so to speak is probably going to have the upper hand even if the other is quite skilled with technique and form. There is just a drive that the "KI" gives that is hard to overcome unless you yourself have it. On the same token, most people who are willing to fight or are going to start a fight with you probably have that "KI". I know that "KI" is kinda cliche' but I don't know another way to describe it.

quote] Dude, it's the person that matters, not merely the system they study. As well, there is the instruction, the intensity of training, and the 'right' they stand behind. I know you're a muay thai freak, but... really... expand your mind a little. I agree with you to a point, However, the system matters more than you give credit for it. If one learns a weapons system such as a 9mm Berreta and goes up against someone trained to use an AK47, it doesn't matter how well you understand the 9mm, or how proficient you are with it. You are outgunned period. You say the system doesn't matter as much as the mindset of the opponents, I disagree with that. You can be a master of whatever you choose, if it doesn't work, it simply does not work. And don't be misled by my name, I have studied TKD, American Karate, And dabbled with Kung Fu. Not to say that I do not like these other arts, They have good points and forms and whatnot, however they simply are not applicable to fighting unless you are fighting someone who uses the same style. I am talking about actually defending yourself in a real world situation. Not point fighting with a ref and judges. I have sparred with countless opponents from countless different styles, the only ones who even come close to being able to do anything without abandoning their proclaimed styles are kyokushin fighters, the rest tend to employ MT strats and techniques in order to compensate for the deficiencies in their own arts. And I did not say that MT was the end all of MA, hence my studies in BJJ. Muay Thai has it weaknesses just like any other form of MA, but then this forum is called "comparative" isn't it?

Hooks and uppercuts rely much on timing. Which is probably what is making them feel "unnatural" for you. Once you get your timing down and know when the proper time is to throw these techniques, it won't seem so awkward. Unlike the jab or cross which can be thrown as a feint very easily, you leave your self more open when throwing hooks and uppercuts by nature of the movement. An opening really must be there for the technique to work well. In contrast, a right uppercut can "pop" your opponents head up and create a perfect opportunity for a left hook. Just work on your timing. That's what it's all about in full contact anyway, timing and counters. Best way to do this, spar, spar, and spar some more.

"Kickboxing or MT (as far as I know) etc does not provide you with the ability to dodge bullets or deal with someone who pulls a knife on you... which seems to be strong possibilities now-a-days if your opponent doesnt take being beaten lightly." Sport Muay Thai does not that's true, however sport Muay Thai is not exactly what ancient Thai warriors used against the Burmese on the battlefields. Traditional Muay Thai involves many other aspects of MA including weapons, throws, and grappling. Unfortunately, it is all but a lost art and teachers of it are hard to find. And even if you find them, most will not teach falang. Krabi-Krabong for instance is a primarily weapons based form of Muay Thai. I have been dying to learn it for years, but instructors are as scarce as hen's teeth. Memai Muay Thai is another. Keep in mind, the Muay Thai you see so much of today is what thailand has evolved into it's national pasttime. It is not in and of it self the defining example of Thai MA. Additionally, people only dodge bullets in the Matrix. Don't kid yourself, no martial art is going to make you capable of that. The laws of probability and physics are against you almost 100% on that one.

So karate can beat Muay Thai on the street? Don't get offended, buy I doubt that.