Hi, I find the people who diss. PP's are usually people who haven't trained in them. When PP's came out they made a lot of traditional sensei seem patheitic. a lot of the negativity comes from there. They are a good addition to your arsenal. They can be utilised in real situations. They are not hard to hit, if you train them. The list above by hobbitbob is mainly vital points not the same as PP's. If you go to hit a point on the jaw and miss the point you still got a hit on the jaw. take care MF