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Dobbersky didn't mention how many sessions a week people were limited to, but that could definitely be the case. I don't know that a percentage of population really works. The more people live in a city or area, the more expensive it is to maintain that city or area and the higher the cost of living is. So, that's why the raw number of people matters. Big cities, in general, are extremes. But, I can see how London is probably more of an extreme to the rest of the U.K. than Chicago is an extreme to the rest of the U.S. Sort of like New York City is a big extreme, compared to the rest of the U.S. Patrick

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That's what I am saying, essentially. We're talking about Chicago, a major U.S. city. Martial arts instruction will theoretically cost more there then in many other, smaller cities because it represents a higher cost of living, which applies across the board. So, that's why the comparison to London. To compare Manchester to Chicago, I didn't feel was an apt enough comparison (could be wrong), as far as the populations of the cities. I don't know that the conversion is any more unfair than any other methods. Comparing cost based on the value of the currency is probably no more inaccurate than other methods, including household or individual income. Nothing's perfect. I realize that the U.K. is much, much smaller than the U.S., but for example, I'd never think of saying "in North Carolina, martial arts instruction costs..." just because there are so many different cities, schools, types of arts and what not. Even within a state, you have big cities, small cities and what not. Perhaps the U.K. isn't like that, though it is interesting that Dobbersky said that martial arts in the U.K. cost £20-£40 monthly, while Danielle said £60-£70. There is a pretty sizable difference between those ranges. Patrick

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Hey Wastelander, You mentioned $40-$60, but that is essentially (give or take a few dollars) what Dobbersky said that they "tend" to pay in the U.K. Although obviously many places charge much more. With that in mind, would you say that it is difficult in the U.S. to find a school that charges between $31.19 and $62.38 monthly? Patrick

Your comment piqued by curiosity, Dobbersky. So, I did a little research to see if there was a great disparity. £5 = $7.80 £20 - £40 a month = $31.19 - $62.38 a month Wouldn't you say that "in the U.K." too vague? I am sure that you can find $7.80 per class or $31.19-$62.38 a month in plenty of places in the U.S. But, price can vary, based on any number of factors. On geographic location, on physical location (downtown, convenient, safe area, not safe area, etc.) on the type of school, on whether the teachers do it full time, on other, club related benefits and access, etc. Alex said $100 should cover you in a major metropolitan area. Manchester is a decent sized city, from what I know. I looked it up on Wikipedia, and I'm not sure how accurate this is, but it says that there is a population of 498,800 in the city and 2.6 million in the metro area. Chicago, according to Wikipedia, has 2.7 million in the city alone. The city itself is the Manchester metro. The Chicago metro is 9.8 million. This would be more comparable to London, which is 7.8 million and 13.9 million, respectively. I did some Google searches for "downtown London martial arts" and "downtown London martial arts pricing" (no quotes on both) and it seems like many schools are hesitant to put pricing online. But, on the first page of results on Google.co.uk, I found: http://www.londonfightfactory.com/costs (a one time joining fee of £25/$39.01, plus £90/$140.36 monthly for unlimited classes, £70/$109.17 for three classes a week and £55/$85.84 for two classes per week) http://www.kravmaga-eastlondon.com/ (no pricing, but they sell a "beginner's package," which is £60/$93.57 for 10 classes) http://bmsmartialart.com/studying-bms-2/studying-bms (£70/$109.17 introductory fee and then £70/$109.17 monthly or $467.85 per term, which run from 13 to 15 weeks) http://www.centrallondonshodokanaikido.co.uk/ (£60/$93.57 monthly, plus annual membership and insurance fee of £30/$46.79) http://www.changshapkido.net/london/ (£75/$116.96 registration fee, plus monthly tuition of £110/$171.64 for unlimited classes, £80/$124.76 for five classes a week, £70/$109.17 for three classes a week and £60/$93.57 for two classes a week, plus various fees for uniforms, grading, etc.) So, I don't know if there is a great disparity here. I am sure that, in London, you can also find many lower priced martial arts classes, as well. But, they offer different things, different experiences and different levels of service. Hope this helps! Patrick

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