JazzKicker

thanks, this is very helpful information. I did see the Kataaro site, but I'd like to go with the belt I just bought- I'm still calling around for a source.

Since I'm newly promoted to 4th dan, and I could use a longer belt anyway (no, i didn't get fat), I decided to get a new belt. The ones I already vary in length, one size 4 is the same as another brand's size 5, etc., so I went to a supply store and picked out the one i wanted. I didn't want to order custom, on-line, without being sure the belt size, thickness, etc. was ok. Turns out, the store doesn't do embroidery anymore. I went to another recommended place, and they weren't really set up to do Hang Gul lettering, so they quoted me $95 for the job! I thought that was way too much, and now I need to find someplace else to bring it, central NJ.

Thank you all, and to answer your questions, I train at an informal little club where we're not big on titles or a strict belt-based syllabus. So I'll keep training as I do, and if our instructor or other black belts refer to me as Master ___, when talking to the kids, I'll smile and answer. But at this stage it's mostly another stripe on the belt. We are part of an international organization, though, so there is a longer reach and long term potential for further advancement, age & health permitting!

I just received my 4th dan Hapkido certificate! This has been a really long term life goal- my last "level up" Dan promotion was 30 years ago, though I received rank in other non-Korean systems as I continued my journey. I spent a long time with non-traditional stuff like JKD, MMA, etc where belts weren't a thing. For the last year I've been training with one of my old instructors from 25 years ago, and he decided it was time I and another senior black belt moved up. I really appreciate the recognition, and I hope the next promotion doesn't take so long!

Holidays are probably the most difficult situational triggers. Hosting Thanksgiving this year, prepping & serving food while guests enjoyed wine, I had a couple of moments where a glass of red looked pretty good. I just remind myself of the foggy mood later, a headache the next day, and move on.

Thank you all, appreciate the recognition!

Luther, I'm surprised you ignored my first 2 paragraphs and took such issue with my brief comments about cultural differences. I can tell you have a different "basis" than mine- but mine goes waay back with instructors and grandmasters that were pioneers and originators. Prime source or 1rst generation, not 3rd generation. I don't know about "American TSD", I didn't even know that was a thing, but it seems to me if you're going to use Japanese terminology, to the OP's point, calling it karate would be consistent. it really doesn't matter much anyway! When I started TSD 40 years ago, it was in a large, insular organization founded by one of Hwang Kee's early black belts (hint: Chuck Norris' first instructor in Korea). Technically it had a lot of commonalities with the Shito-Ryu I'd learned from a Japanese national from the 1950's university system, but the TSD training format was much more militaristic, formal etiquette. The TSD GM brought over quite a few masters from Korea, but they all left quickly after they became established in the US. The organization all but pretended the MDK didn't exist. My perspective changed when I branched out to other styles, and, KMA related, trained in Hapkido with a Korean instructor, and his step-father was a founder (hint, he was in Game of Death). This was when I discovered a lot of what I'd been "indoctrinated" in was... not exactly accurate- and, I'll concede, appropriation is too strong a word, but perhaps... well meaning pretentiousness?

I'll stand by my post from nearly 4 years ago, but add some thoughts based on my own cross-fertilization experiences. TSD is really karate, and more. Put a TSD black belt in a shotokan class, they'll be able to follow right along and not see anything completely new or different. Forms, they'd have to follow along and navigate some subtle differences. But take a Shotokan practioner, put them in a TSD class, they probably wouldn't have done nearly so much jumping or spinning kicks, and their forms would look much more rigid, snappy, fast, even. The funny thing about the Americanization, it really is "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", bordering on cultural appropriation. If you look at a group like World Tang Soo Do, or even the videos with Pat Johnson- you'll see few, if any Koreans. Dojangs have Korean flags, Americans bow, use lots of formality and almost military etiquette, yell "Yes Sir" and mispronounce Korean terms, it's kind of embarrassing.

I would echo the usuals, like humility, respect, self-control, perseverance. There were times in my career that I wished the meritocracy and seniority structure of the more formal traditional martial arts actually applied in the corporate world. I would add, though, something I learned when I grew into the JKD and MMA worlds- "Let it Go and Don't Hold Back!"- when it's time to fight, forget self control.

As part of my initial training in karate, and then Tang Soo Do, I learned the basic terminology for counting, techniques, body parts, commands, etc., especially Korean. However, in TSD my instructors were Americans, not native speakers, so we were all "singing in a language we didn't understand" . A few years later, I had a Korean-American Hapkido instructor who corrected some of my misunderstandings. Recently I've been watching "k-drama" action TV with subtitles, so I was inspired to start learning actual conversational Korean and the Hangul characters. I'm using a language app and some online resources. One thing I was able to do was translate the characters on my old belt and a t-shirt, to see if they actually said what i thought they did! I may not find much practical use, since I don't know any Korean speakers right now- I used to work with 3 Korean Phd.s! But I think I'll get more cultural insight, and it may open some unexpected doors.

https://www.nj.com/olympics/2024/07/paris-olympics-help-a-nj-family-heal-from-the-pain-of-a-stolen-dream.html When I first started karate in 1981, it was at this club. I also did some judo, but these guys were world class, so I stuck with karate. My sensei was Yone, the late grandfather of the competitor in this story. His father, Nick, was my age, though i didn't know him at the time- the Olympic boycott was just before when I started there. His Youtube videos started showing up on my feed, though, so I'm happy to see they're still at it all these years later.

I do the Tang Soo Do version of Seisan. Usually the TSD forms are pretty close to the main Japanese styles, due to the derivation from Shotokan. However with this one, I've seen more variations, like in Ryu-Kyu kempo.

If they could invent something that promised losing weight, better sleep, longer life, improved mood, reduced anxiety and depression, even keep you out of jail, they'd make a fortune. Or you could just quit drinking. I used to take breaks, like dry-uary, but for too long alochol was a habit that flirted with too much. Hangovers, etc. got to be too much, and I quit once and for all a year and a half ago.

Went back to class last night. The corner lot where the incident occurred is now completely vacant, no cars, no hangers-on. and a For Sale sign posted. I think nobody wants to stick around to answer questions from the cops.! So that's that.

The club I train at now uses a room in a church the instructor is an elder. It's in a pretty rough city, but it has a fenced in parking lot, and I can keep an eye on my car from inside. No concerns the last 6 months I've been training there. But with the warmer weather, people are hanging around, partying in the lot next door, on the corner. No cops in sight- this is the hood. We train Tu-Th nights. Well, I read online, last Wed.s night there was a double homicide on the corner- car crashed, air bags went off, both occupants were discovered shot dead. No suspects. My guess is some kind of gang violence. I'll keep training there, but I am a little spooked. Hapkido won't stop speeding cars and flying bullets!