Wow. Quite a few differing ideas, attitudes, opinions, and angles on this subject to say the least. Laurie's question is not as simple as it may seem on the surface, nor is the answer. I think we can all agree that there are certain physical expectations of any BB-but even those must be weighed against many factors (i.e., size, weight, disability, etc.). The question here is not about the physical, nor is it particularly performance related (although some aspects of performance do relate to internal factors such as attitude, character, etc.). It is about the "self"...who is that person that we recommend for promotion? What qualities do we look for in our students that tell us "That's the one!"? What qualities do we look for in ourselves that give us fuel for growth or cause us to stagnate? I think these are the questions Laurie is asking. A desire to know what to recognize in students and ourselves, and what our teachers are looking for in us as we train. Seems simple, yes? It is simple yet comlpex. It's like the stone you find in the middle of your yard that you decide to move. You start to dig and you find that the stone is just the tip of a large boulder buried deep beneath the soil. What started out as a simple task is now going to consume an entire afternoon.