beermonster..good reply. TJs....I agree about being attacked when you least expect it. Dont we all train for the unexpected? Is that not why we practice? I for one used to work at a prison and I can tell you when you are attacked, the world slows down and that training comes in handy. Should you know how to fight from the ground? Of course, but, I do not want to stay there. For that matter, most of the fights I have ever witnessed, neither does the other guy. From my personal experience, karate has served me well (and I also used to point fight). Therefore; from my perspective karate is a good art to study. I believe also it depends greatly on whom it is teaching you.