magikchiongson

Yeah I know Thai, I'm just using Tank Abott as an explanatory model. My whole point was, that its not really Traditional vs Grapplers, more like who's better conditioned at fighting. Tank was conditioned at fighting, that's why he holds his own against grapplers.

Well I just don't know how to explain it, I mean if we have issue enough that there's going to be a fight between us, I'm going to take you right out. If you're not learning this in whatever school you're in, then you're being shortchanged. I suggest, that if your system isn't teaching you to protect that head or how to attack it, leave now.

Are they powerful enough to KO someone? Of course. Or they could be positional strikes, just depends on the practioner.

That's why you learn Principle and not Style.

That sux, Kuntao has ALOT of whips to the eyes and groin shots every other move lol. Are you allowed to elbow on the head on Pride?

That's a strange question to answer. Obviously we see a difference between Aikido and Karate, there's just so many styles of Kung Fu. Basically, Karate is slower than Kung Fu and less powerful. I know yall differentiate between Judo and Karate so why not do the same for the Chinese Styles? Kung Fu is just a blanket term for all the Martial Arts Practiced in China and Chinese Satellite States. As for which is more affective, I really think Kung Fu is. Don't get mad, its just my observation. In the style I'm learning now, we have a very diverse background of people training. Some from Karate some from Kung Fu, some from Jiu Jitsu ect. What I noticed was, that during flow drills, I could always accurately count how many strikes were thrown by people who earned blackbelts in Karate styles just by vision alone. While the Kung Fu fighters I would have no clue how many shots were thrown other than the rapid beat when the strikes hit. They notice that they are a tad bit slower than the other students who weren't used to striking the Karate way, but that's ok. As for one shot kills, Choy Li Fut is famous for that. In fact several Kung Styles have the capability of delivering 7-8 Death Strikes in a second, with strikes to the temple, throat, nose, ect. That's the trick of it, most Karate Styles require a rechambering of your primary weapons Most Chinese Styles simply continue the flow.

Exactly, I don't like my chances with someone with a knife, nor would I care to test it. Don't like my chances against multiple attackers either, hence me wanting to stay on my feet to move out of the way. I think grapplers enjoy the success that they do because grapplers train against real opponents. So their bodies are used to constant contact. You know its like learning one thing and working it hard every day, you're going to get good at it, and more than likely you will prevail over somebody that doesn't. In other styles available here, that's just not done. But if grappling was so superior, how come so many grapplers had trouble against a brawler "striker" like Tank Abott? Because Tank was used to fighting for real. I don't know man, if we were on the ground, I'd be elbowing your head or slamming your head on the concrete, hitting you in the back of the head, trying to blind you or cut your windpipe out or ripping your ears off. Jiu Jitsu has that too, which is kinda why I'm confused why that's not emphasized.

UFC is great, I talk smack about grapplers all the time, but I've seen every single UFC =P. I just wish that these Grapplers would get a clue though, and not prounce around and claim they have the best Martial Arts or something stupid like that. They should change the venue title to Ultimate Grappling Though. Admit it, UFC is for Grapplers. Umm you know though, Eskrimadors where I'm from still do Challenges to the death, if yall are interested...... hehe grapple on top of a mountain with jagged rocks and other cool things like that.

IMO, fighting and soldiering has to have that concept of religion. Imagine facing death, day in and day out, wouldn't you be more comfortable believing that something other than simply ceasing to exists will happen to you after you die? I just believe that, that spiritual aspect is a natural extension of being a Warrior. Its no coincidence that the finest warriors in the World were religious people. Sometimes, that translates into the martial arts turning into a religion. Which makes a lot of sense to me.

When you are striking someone with one of the Chinese Fists, there has to be that snap in the end of the strike. Positive energy flowing into a target then Negative energy snapping back, creating that power... That's how one San Soo Sifu explained that concept to me anyways.

That's the dillemma that martial artists face today. You call it Traditional Styles yet nobody trains in the Traditional Way. Too many people get caught up in this Traditional vs Modern argument as if punching, kicking, and grappling is a new invention. Truth is, we are all a master of our own style. You want to know why these Grapplers win all they time? First off the format favors them, second of all they train harder than most traditional stylists. They train everyday, endure a lot of pain. Of course they will win. The form is traditional, the training is not.

I didn't believe in all this Sixth Sense stuff, untill I got jumped from behind. Somehow I knew I was being attacked before the punches landed and even before I knew what I was doing I was inside the guy's guard ready to deliver just a totally fight ending hit. I've heard in certain Kuntao Circles of how they train to anticipate these unexpected attacks. Basically its like learning to hit from EVERY position, lying down, while in the car, while you're opening a door. Like a paranoid type of deal, but it is very effective. You have to deal with conquering the fright that comes over you just before the attack happens.

Here's my point to its simplest form. In a competition, a striker will probably always lose to a grappler, in real life I think the odds even out a hell of a lot better. Jiu Jitsu, has so much more to offer than this 90% of all fights end up on the ground mentality. I don't really want to come off as disrespecting Jiu Jitsu because I'm too impressed with some of its actions, but this whole notion of Grappling for the sake of Grappling is silly. I don't want to turn this into a style v style thread, more like Standing up Vs. Being on the Ground. The Principle here, is do everything in your power not to be taken down. Its entirely up to you as to what you use to accomplish that.

Kali is a Western Term, we have no meaning for it in the Philippines. What is referred to as Kali, does however cross paths with Silat several times. Its funny though, a lot of Eskrimadors, and Kali practioners like to were this Muslim Motif like the Muslim Filipino Silat practioners in the Southern Islands eventhough this type of stick fighting basically became famous in the Christianized parts of the Country. But I seriously suggest you incorporate the Kali flow drills if you are practicing Silat or Kuntao. Kali probably has the best flow drills I've ever seen which makes your Kuntao Silat sharper. Nothing like learning rythym through parrying rapid strikes from the rattan sticks. But I really get a chuckle at my own countrymen, what happened was Westerners would go over there to learn "Kali" when they asked the Arnistadors or Eskrimadors if they knew Kali of course they answered no. When they started losing tuition, they simply lied, told them they knew Kali and then proceded to teach them their personal style of fighting.

LoL I guess I take Karate now, very funny. Karate is about as useless as "Ground Fighting" someone with a knife. What are you gonna do, take your clothes off prance around in speedos and Kneebar a guy with a knife? LoL this is a fairly easy concept to grasp. Ask yourselves what's not allowed in a No holds barred fight? Can I elbow you on the head? Can I strike your pressure points, can I take your groin out? Take your eyes out? and you dare claim its full contact? Get a clue. Jiu Jitsu has proven itself in combat, so has Sambo but lol claiming dominance based on a sport and not in a real life confrontation is ridiculous. If you think its wise to grapple multiple opponents please go right ahead. If you think its wise to grapple a knife fighter please do. The point here isn't even grappling or karate chopping an assailant, its to stay on your feet, I thought that would be fairly obvious. Or perhaps you disagree? and that yes it would be good to go the ground? Face it, Grappling is a Sport. Comes closer to anything else out there in proving what's more affective ect.. but its a sport. Untill very recently, it wasn't rare to hear of people getting maimed and killed proving who was the better practioner, where I'm from anyways. But anyways, be safe, stay on your feet.

LoL, funny especially since a lot of assailants carry two knives. Whatever dude, keep studying your Jiu Jitsu get the crap beat outta you when you get jumped two to one or with a guy carrying a weapon.

Well I don't really see the logic in taking someone down to the ground. At least not the BJJ way, BJJ is tailor made for those so called "No holds Barred" fights, but if you were in a real fight on the ground and every weapon was at your disposal those grappling techniques wouldn't be so affective. its a no holds barred fight, but some strikes aren't allowed. In short, if two fighters were allowed to fight with absolutely nothing held back, the "striker" would have a much better chance of winning. Now in fights like the UFC its for grapplers. You gotta be nuts to use these grappling techniques out in the real world. Especially since the attackers don't attack you unless they have an advantage, such as a weapon, more people, surprise, size, ect.. Really, grapplers are looking so good because they are coming up against these inferior styles in a format that's tailor made for them. Im not saying grappling sux, I'm just saying, with all things being equal they wouldn't enjoy such a high rate of sucess.

The question is, how do you know what is affective and what is not? You might think you're technique is sound, only to find out that it is not. Or your technique might be sound but your reflexes and mindset aren't all there. Last time I got jumped, it was from behind no prior warning whatsoever. He had open shots to the back of my head, while I was at a sitting position. Turned right around and disabled him without even thinking about it, Ba Gua single Change of Palm, was all it took. He's lucky I didn't snap his neck like you are able to do from the single change of palm position because I wasn't even thinking just reacting. Does your art adequetely train in you in coping with that rush of adrenaline that rushes into your system at times like that?