the people who were killed in the gladitorial fights were, on the whole, slaves so the idea of it being a voluntary activity is bull. also i used the term american completely intentionaly, due to the fact that the america really invented this whole liberal anti-violence except in self defense idea (which can be justified) and then took too extremes and are completely anti raising a fist (even the martial artists). is no one up for a good scrap these days [ This Message was edited by: g on 2002-04-08 12:07 ]