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And yet people in pride or UFC or whatever are by a majority vale tudo fighters, this is the same difference between how a kickboxer will fight on the street and the ring - after all you don't kick people in the nuts in the ring but given the oppertunity you damn well would outside of the ring.

WIng chun. A proper hook is kept very very close to the body with the fore arm parralel to the body is it possible your mistaking a hook for a cross? Either way a block for a hook would definitly not involve going for the bicep in any way - a haymaker possibly. A tight raised triangle across the head (silat/boxing style) or a evasion is the best defence. pete,

Fear and semi contact training. When a fight starts the adrenaline starts pumping manifesting itself as fear anger. Its proven that you experience tunnel vision to a greater or lesser degree and so hitting specific targets become more difficult so training for pinpoint accuracy can be detrimental on the street. pete,

Bloody hell does nobody no what vale tudo is? It is NHB and is basically what you will see in the UFC. It isn't the style of no style or any bruce-esq type thing it will contain in 99 % of the classes BJJ muay thai western boxing and if they are into stand up grappling maybeys some wrestling like greco roman. You will learn to fight with your hands feet elbows knees legs. Takedowns clinch work and groundwork and do a lot of sparring. A personal favorite of mine (forget the name) where you flow through the 4 headlocks and the rear naked chokes with the escapes, every move practically can be a strike into a hold.

I got no problem with guys weight lifting, just a path I don't follow. I'm not a sheep or a puppet I have a better physique than 80-90 % of martial artists I know though. pete,

Why is someone a sheep puppet just because they don't believe in weight training. I have a good physique, muscle speed and power all built using my own bodyweight. I use many different pressups, chin ups pull ups sit ups hindu squats hindu push ups. I would bet money that because I am training my muscles in the same way as I want to use them I will punch faster and even harder than any weight lifter, and so far in my experience I do. pete,

G95champ wrote: One other thing kata gives you that shadow boxing don't is balance. In almost every kata I have seen or done it teaches moves to the Right and Left. This forces us to become balanced. As to where people only work one side when shadow boxing. Why do you speak of something you obviously have not done before. In kata you move from left to right as though you were fighting an opponent. In shadow boxing you move from left to right as though you were fighting an opponent, no just left right but back and forward and round and round. The only people who ever work only one side are boxers, if you have never done something why pass judgement on it. Can somebody who has actually done shadow work and kata please tell me the differences? One is pre set the other is not, they can bothe be a catalogue of the masters techniques kirves, only in one you have to remember the teachings and put it in yourself. (slightly angry post) pete,

In my experience you get two types of people emerging in these conversations, the BL worshippers and the Bruce Lee Lynch mob. One will worship him and possibly go as far as to refer to him as sifu lee. THe other will slag off him, his martial ability his fims and make references to steroid/canabis/miscellaneous drug abuse. Funny old world isn't it. Personally if I had that guys speed determination and physique I would be squaring up against a Gracie/silva/hoost/sakaraba right now and I'd be whooping them. pete,

Some of his first stuff was good. But then he writes books on wrestling techniques etc. after only studying for 6 months, he also gives a trolls overview of martial arts. Karate is to rigid kung fu is to flowery - 19 pages for 12 quid. THe point which I picked up on in the article was about the difference in violence between ten years ago and now. Fights are damn dangerous round england now, especially around london glasgow birmingham. The advice and stories that some of these guys tell aren't relevant now. And well I'm not against selling out (I plan to at the first given oppertunity) but these guys blatently have. pete,

As a matter of fact I am not illiterate I am not questioning the reality of the technique in a fight I am questioning the whole charade. I have not met a person willing to try the technique on me, though I have seen a demonstration and requested it and was politly refused. Only his students were used. Has anybody seen the 51st state PoS 51. 10 points for the person that makes the connection between the two. pete,

Hmmmm. sanshou has given me bad impressions mainly due to its relationship to SCARS. My impressions were of very complex techniques, the videos I saw were of throws which took a long time to execute and had a lot of moves inherent in the technique. However if they spend the time on the basics like muay thai then I am sure it is good, not a big fan of complex techniques. When the adrenaline rush hits and the tunnel vision starts your target areas blur and your throws and grappling need to be instinctive. Please provide me with links or any information or tell me if I just visited a mcdojo website. pete,

I don't regularly buy them but I was bored so I picked up a copy of COMBAT. I thought I'd start a discussion about one of the articles in which Tony Agostini expresses his distaste for people of geoff thompsons ilk. (I've left chunks out) ----------------------------------------------------- Combat; Following on from last month you mentioned the pre emptive strike. A whole industry has built up around the concept of 'real' street defence but you feel that much of it is out of date. Why? TA; ....Based upon my experiences in various clubs and places.....I've read a lot of the old stories and I'm a pro in the industry. I don't write books and don't brag about stories as amusing as they might be....I would rather educate people in the industry so they don't get hurt. I can't relate to those stories and the nearest I can relate is in the later years of school up until I was eighteen. Combat; Has society really changed so much and become so vicious? TA; Without a doubt. A lot of the doormen books I read involve stuff like, "Lets go outside and have a punch up" or "he said this so I knocked him out" We did this when I was at school, the whole point of getting into weapons training was the sheer amount of knives being produced. The situation I've seen escalate over the last eight to ten years has been with regard to drugs and I don't know if the people who write these articles really understand the problems we have in certain areas of london. #not just london-pete# Its kids, teenagers and they are taking and selling drugs and coming out with weapons. There is no way they can run their outfits without some kind of weapons. In the clubs its a nightmare to take out someone dealing drugs. You simply don't rush in there is a lengthy process to establish everyone in the team. Theres a runner/dealer/banker and minders and they don't care if they get caught because its there job. We are walking on thin ice because these people have got the ammunition to carry out there threats, they could take us out from a hundred yards away, it is this sort of thing the story telling doormen don't understand. I would love it to be like 'outside for a quick fight' Its not like that anymore, shooters crossbows I was even offered a schmoolie. An anti aircraft weapon that could take out the door and half the club for twenty quid each. the guy demostrated it for me on the hackney marshes. In terms of reaction to a crime or percieved slight or injury or lack of respect the levels of violence described are completely out of context. It has been noted in streetcrime that kids are being held at gunpoint for there mobile phones. People have come from eastern europe that have a different mentality, in terms of 'acceptable violence' they come over on false passports how do I know. A lot of them come on door courses and I ask them for their name and adress and theyve got the cheek to take out their passport to check how to spell their name. Running with that is the gang mentality that these people are quite happy to shoot stab or wound you because a criminal conviction is like a medal of honour. combat; And everyone hates doormen. AG; Thats the worst thing.....trying to promote it as a professional industry.....can pick up a lot of good attributes. It has such a tarnished reputation, prior to 1991 when licensing came in doormen were known as bouncers - and thats when all the stories relate to. When some one says no I am not going to leave and gets knocked out. That wouldn't work now, do you realise how much compensation goes out in a civil litigation. I need consent to search someone without consent, if i touch someone without consent its assault. I teach criminal law to door supervisors and we stay within the laws of reasonable force. Its not about knocking someone out if the look at you wrong or waiting for them to hit first its about maintaing balance. -------------------------------------------- Brings up a few good points though it is a little unclear. I have long been skeptical of finding anything useful in the real self defence books after reading geoff thompsons "pressure testing the martial arts". What is everyones opinions? (Personally I do not like geoff thompson and his ilk however I do respect that some are talented writers) pete,

Bon do you believe in the chaos theory. That anyhting can happen, its true to say that there could be an olympic TKD practitioner just waiting to stick his heel in your face. I've been training for nigh on ?10 years in many arts and I have crosstrained yet I still believe there could be someone out there who may never have trained at all or in tkd or shotokan who could whoop my ass. Some people are just born hard as nails some more than others. Then theres the possibility that in a fight I slip or lose concentration. A knee/fist/heel/shin elbow can end the fight and even the best fighter can get suckerpunched.

KICK LOTS DO Kick bags DO Kick people DO Kick pads thai or whatever DO Train lots DO rub lumps out of your shins with your palms or some round bit of wood DO NOT kick metal poles DO NOT kick a completely sand filled bag or heavy bag till your ready for it (never completely sand filled) DO NOT kick trees, thai's kick soft bendy trees. Pick a fight with an oak tree and it will probably win. theres nothing to complex about the thai's I think thats why they are so good. pete,

Mr heel hook. BJJ on its own will not suffice for the street. I've trained in a few different things and BJJ alone woudln't see me through (I have done it). There are situations where a well trained well timed fast and powerful punch will be the most useful thing in the world. Disagree? I dislike telling personal stories but a few examples spring to mind if you want an example. pete,