havoc

there are too many to list. your best bet is to get ahold of a tape trader. there are some great fights outside of k-1. k-1 has it's share of stinkers too. kaman v. hoost 2 is a great fight.mo smith v. stan longinidis is a good one. look for fights with names like ubeda,simpson,bille,dekker,kaman,aerts,hoost,hug,mannart,cunningham(pete),pena,ballentine,etc. all these guys are usually in good fights. you might have to pay for the first few but then you can start trading.i have a pretty big collection this way.

westerners think of muaythai and we think leg kicks. leg kicks are a part of muaythai but it tends to be a bigger part of western muaythai than it does in thailand. the thai's r very good at leg checking and being that they fight pretty regularly the chance of injury to themselves from throwing leg kicks outweight the usefulness of them.u will see them,just not as much as you would think.

again headbutts are not legal in muaythai.not in thailand or anywhere else. they might have them in the thai v.s. burmese fights but not in the stadiums. the thais actually start earlier in life in training and although a few may have their careers end when they r 21 it's not do to injuries.their shelf life depends on their ability and the fans. if they run their course in thailand, then they will fought outside thailand for many more years.most fighters have fights into the hundreds, even if you fought every 3 weeks you would still have to fight 8 years to have 128 fights.so the myth of their short careers due to crippling injuries is just that a myth. and you won't see alot of leg kicking in thailand.

head butts are illegal in muaythai. burmese bando allows headbutts and they fight bare knuckle.

don't let anybody here scare ya.the 2-3 life span in muaythai is urban legend.most fighters from thailand start very early in life and fight for many years. where this rumor comes from is the life expectancy in the big arenas in thailand.once your career starts to falter, then you're considered washed up.they don't quit because of injury they usually go to other countries and fight/live or go into being a trainer or pad holder.when a former stadium champ or contender comes to the states it's a big deal to us,so there is money to be made,plus even though they are washed up in thailand,the competition here usually isn't very tough so they do quite well fighting here.

i just worked out with dan last night. he told me he had only 4 pro fights.

when leg kicks are involved,at least with a well schooled leg kicker,lateral movement can actually be a hinderance. i love righty's who like to jab and move to there left. perfect enviroment for leg kicking. your best chance is to punch when they launch the kick.if you can get a copy of hoost v. leko, you'll get a good ex. of punching against a kick.

how ya feelin?

i thought the fight with kirkwood was under full thai rules,maybe,maybe not. however, his title defense against andy hug was full rules. stan as you probably know, lost on ko after being folded into a lawn chair twice.

stan has fought full thai rules. perry ubeda would be another pick. and john wayne parr,ivan hypolite,and gilbert ballentine. maurice,to my knowledge, has not fought full thai rules.

i would pick kaman over maurice. robby has fought all rules, even full thai rules.he was a complete fighter.

well from what i understand, china didn't send it's best either.(if the excuse is going to be ok for one side then it has to be ok for the other).this whole debate is stupid.

i know of kyokushin karate. everyone who knows of it knows it's hard core. however,here in the states the martial arts really aren't taken seriously. most people think of karate in a movie sense or they connect it with something their children do. kickboxing in america(full contact) grew out of the martial arts. so most of the early fighters were karate of kungfu fighters.they used boxing as a format for their competitions,ring,rnds,ref. etc. however,they usually weren't fit enough for the rigors of ring fighting. fights were usually sloppy with both combatants getting tired and weary. now the reason for this i believe is because of lack of experience and experienced trainers.but you have a country that has been watching boxing for over a century. it has seen it's share of fit professional fighters.now this new fighting sport emerges and the avergage boxing fan watches these fights and sees two weary and by this time sloppy fighters.of course they are not impressed. now not all the fighters were like this. the cream always rises to the top. the problem was there was not enough cream. so you see at least here in the states karate is not taken seriously,especially with karate studios on every corner passing out black belts right and left.

in my opinion there should be no belt's in kickboxing. it isn't karate. it isn't kungfu.it's a sport.i think martial arts and martial sport should be kept seperate.i am a firm believer that kickboxing isn't taken seriously because of the martial arts tag that goes along with it.

jiggy, it was a joke.