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I think it goes primaily to the skill of the user. You can also look at the number of advantages each has to take a fair bet; does one have a greater effective distance, more mobility, greater force mulitplication, ect. Both these weapons probibly come out pretty equal in terms of strenghts. In that case, victory will ususally go to the more skilled individual. Given the prevelance of these weapons, it's probibly moot.

I think with a previous background of dan rank or so in the ma's, you shuold progress as quickly as your skill and talent and training time allow. However, if you're new and this is your primary system, then I'd say some sort of time frame is acceptable. Think of it as a probationary period. When you start getting ranked, you start representing that style and school. It's not a bad idea to get an idea if your a fit or not for the school prior to ranks being awarded.

We're not talking "high and floaty", we're talking about an alternative of a natural stacne. Knees flexed, feet shoulder width apart, weight over the balls of the feet. In a word, athletic. It's a similar posture used by several combat athletes. Boxers don't use a deep stance, but rahter a more nautral posture. Same with kb-ers and mma guys. They rise or fall based on their ability to control distance and move. Those sports can serve as petri dishes for us due to the live nature of their competition. I'm not saying they have no place and will never be used. I fall into what is suspiciously like a cheated horse stance when I apply Spear style DT movements (note here that this is a unidirectional movement and requires none of the diffiuclties I pointed out in my first post). However, it's not a primary stance due to the constraints I mentioned ealier, and I still feel like I'm going to take one in the groin. After it's application in this manner, it's time to move back to a better stance.

today- crossfit: 5 rounds of- 30 roman chair sit ups 25 back extensions legs/shoulders Sounds like you're enjoying you jj class by your other postings, joe. Glad to hear it.

Yeeeeah! Nice work bushido man, congrats.

Deep stances move the feet further away from each other simply by their performance. Any time this occurs, it slows down multi-directinal movement. It makes it harder to cut angles. Against premeditated attacks this might me ok. But in a live fight, it can be highly hazadous. I'm sure there are people out there with the physical ability to move well out of them. That dosn't mean that the majority of the population works that way. Closer, more mobile stances allow for cutting, closing, retrating, all off-line if need be with minmal effort. Forget getting out of it, I want something I can move in without worrrying about getting out of do something. They also cut down on the chance of catching a good groind kick, which is never a bad idea .

Yeasterday- 10 min warm up on the elliptical back/bi's interval traininig breaking up a mile run with inclined sit ups. Hopefully I can squeeze one in tonight and stay on track for the week.

I'm a bit late to offer any advice, so I won't. Except to say good luck and let us kow how it turns out. Welcome to the forums.

I try to collar tie with one hand to help stabilize my self. Then, start pulling towards him while trying to get my foot back to the ground. by pulling in, you get to bend the knee and start the foot down, it can then also be used to check across his legs to help support you while you work it back down. To help all this along, hit him with whatever is availiable with the other hand whenever possible. Pulling to guard isn't awful, but I'd wait till there's no other option unless you're specifically a ground guy. I'd always rather take top game even though I have a pretty decent guard. I still try to get tight before initiating this. That way, when I pull down, I'm more likley to find guard and prevent ankle and kneebar counters this way.

And what about the time needed to learn that jump spinning hook kick vs. the time spent learning a jab cross? Not to mention the sheer physical aptitute needed for one and not the other. Just because something will work, even infrequently, does not make it efficient. I really do like the cost/benifit model talked about above. This can be applied at all levels of learning and deployment I'd think. Here's the thing, just because I, or someone else, dosn't find something efficient, dosn't mean people shouldn't do it. Again, it's what you're looking for out of what you do.

That's one way to deal with it. I do tons of open hand parrying movements to this day. Ocassionally, I too get the joint sprained. It happens and is the cost of doing business, so to speak. If you're doing an art that does alot of grapping as entry to grappling range, it will occur. Anther thing that does it is getting them caught in fabric while grabbing. Learn to carry on when possible. For training, if your invovled with those arts, cosider taping for extra support if you've recently injured one of them. This will help them heal up quicker and be less prone to reinjury.

If it is a quick movement to a fireing posture you're looking for, the two handed grip is still the way to go. COnsider how the weapon should be presented: Your strong hand goes to the grip and defeats any retention devices you might have. Not a concern with conceiled carry usually, but you'll h ave to practice getting around the clothes you have covering it. Now you begin an upward movement of the weapon with enough forward pressure on the front sight that it scrapes the interior of the holser. This will give you the energy on the presention you will need in a second to bring the muzzle to bear. The weapon now clears the holster. With the forward pressure (slight) on the front sight, the barrel will now automatically "pop" in the direction of your frontal target. This allows you to immediatly engage from a close quarters situation IF THE SITUATION WARRANTS. Now you strong hand (holding the gun) punches the pistol out to a firing posture. As it's extending, the off hand meets the grip and a final platform is established. With time and distacne on your side, this is when you'd get your flash sight picuture and engage. Or, if the situation is rapidly closing to CQC distance, you'd point shoot if you've practiced. Both have their place. Notice that while a good presentaion address a single handed fire in chest to chest contact, and allows for it, it's still not the primary form of engagment. Still, the actaul draw and punch to extension are conducted with the strong hand and are very fast with some training and practice. This method, which is currently largly accepted by by many weapon carrying insitutions, give you both rapidity of the presentation and capability of early deployment, while still retianining the more stable two-handed shooting platform. I'm probilby not going to change your mind either, that's ok. I'm just trying to explain why things are accepted in firearms training and the reasons behind them and why they serve the intended purpose of armed confrontation better in this instance than a side facing, single handed stance.

If it's one of the newer ones I doubt they could climb up to the cab quickly enough

Glad to hear you're sticking it out. That kind of thing is way more important for future tests than nailing movements.

Unaviodable is tought to pin down. And as noted, it changes with the dynamics of the situation. Easily definable is if an attack is launched or the aggressor makes a movement clearly identifiable as a precurosr to attack that i can later articulate.

Yeah, two man work is really underrated by almost everyone in the DT community. There are a couple of groups out there working on it but some of the movements I don't care for. I thin both are important, but you have tothink abut the fact that lots of times you have backu pat hand. Might as well use them.

At the risk of getting off topic, I'll reply to your thoughts. I guess it's really not off topic as to it does speak to the type of individual one is likely to encounter during an incident like this. True, not all crimes are drug realted. But a healty number are. Between alcohol (technically a drug but not viewed as such in reality by our society) and drugs I'd guess you could account for their presence in some form to 60-80 percent of street level crimes. That's not from academic discussion, that's from living it from an enforcement side. As to what that means for ma-ist, it means that you might have to account for altered mental states in your opponant and possible decreased pain reception. As to all crimes being violent, I guess you could classify them as that, given they step outside the law as well as the accepted social/moral contract. However, there is a big difference between a crime vs. properity and a crime vs. a person. Hence, labeling the second as violent. As ma-ist, this comes into play in not only choosing how we respond with our skills (properity cirme vs. personal) but also in our mindset. We have to realize we are training to fight an individaul who is violent by nature and willing to commit bodily crime. This is a major change from learning to compete or train against compliant partners. True, not all crimes are based on money. But it does remain a good incentive. Burglaries are high, that can easily mean a trip to the pawn shop for coin. Same for auto theft. These individul often turn this money around for use in the drug market. It's common. Hate and sex based crimes are reprehensible. Ofent, thre is drug or alcohol abuse that leads to the actual act itself in thse cases. Not always, but you can't overlook that componant. As to drugs not being as big, I'd say the nuber of drug case is greater in frequency than those larger crimes we talked about above. This in turn creates a breeding ground for those larger crimes. You mention a couple of catastrophic incidents. Yes, those are bad and may or may not have involved some for of substance abuse either long term or just prior to the act. It dosent' matter. The fact is that despte atttention grabbing headlines of unreatled tragdies,substance abuse remains a high problem and is often lined to crime. Including car-jackings. This could take the form of use just prior or a motive. Granted, it's one of many possible motives, but it can remain a motive none the less. This means that discusion of dealing with this sort of thing should include the poisssible enviornemtal factor of a high or drunk perpetrator. I'd say it should also include a highly motiveated and violent thief. But you can't dimmiss the possiblity that you might have to deal with an individual motivated by other factors. Remember also, it was half in scarcasm, I just found my sarcasm in experiance.

First off, you can't ascribe normal logic to criminal behavior. Second, some people are simply more violent by nature and thus seek to meet about all their needs with it. Next, dope is pretty much synonomus with weed where I come from Last, it largely, but not entirely, sarcastic. Most crime we see styms some how from a drug habit either thru funds necissary for more, or altered behavior due to its use.

round 2 for today- 4 hour block on instructin to the team. I even managed some reps in. tactical consideratin for weapons during hth conflict SPEAR application across various scenarios negitives if it breaks down effecting takedowns if needed two man takedowns entry scenarios in armor with everything we worked. it went well and was well received. we'd have had a home run if one of the guys hadn't been unfortunate enough to get hurt. Knee got twisted after a foot got caught in the matt. It was a bummer. I've been lucky for so long, my time is coming on that front.

Dope money is dope money, no matter how much they get for chopping whatever they find.

today- 3, 2 min rounds on the mitt gloves. cover, strikes as called by holder. work movement, and angles. added defense to takedown last round as well. 3, 3 min rounds of sparring. boxing focus first round. add takedown attempts and defenses next two. integrate. stop if clinched or takedown successful. 20 of review on material that we're presenting to my dpts swat team tonight in regard to DT for entrys. 3, 3 min round of free roll.

What? You've never been attacked by aliens on the tundra while wielding only a rubber chicken? You haven't lived.

One can certainly quickly present the weapon quickly to a two handed grip. It has to do with practice and the movments to clear the holster. And again, it's a better platform. The side stance shown in the article is a bit unnatural and limits mobility, one of your best friends in a shootout. Mobility will get you to cover, your very best friend in a shootout. Strong v. weak side isn't a factor. We're talking about a firearm, it will handle things if you can establish a platform, target with it (eitehr sited or point depending on proximity and time), and hone your trigger control. Your individual physical capabilities on either side aren't a factor. As to defense in a gun fight...there isn't any, in the sense your talking about when facing a strong arm forward. There is cover (which will stop bullets) and there is returning fire that is accurate. That's it. If a firearm is presnted on your end, your best bet is to focus on killing the other guy first not worrying about defending if he gets too close. If he does close, keep shooting. That's your defense. As to the distancing aspect, the difference between your muzzle and the target changes so miinimally between the pictured stance and a two handed grip that it's unimportant. Modern weapons are accurate to distances that most very competant shooters can't capatalize on it due to "user error" that any change here is non-important in the hands of a trained shooter. In fact, control of the weapon will go up so considerably with a two handed grip that it will greatly outpace the distance created. Shooting science will continue to evolve, it's inevatable. However, I've seen enough scores drop in ranges when single handed firing is practiced to have a pretty good idea that this isn't the future of combat marksmanship. No offense, intented, I just disagree to the theory of this stance and the practicality of it. When it comes to handgunning, you have to apprach it as a different animal that ma's and work on integrating them into a complet sd package in another way. Usualy in transition work.

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Agreed. I'll be nice to just about anyone I step on the floor with, and most people I don't. But that dosn't equal respect for them. As others have pointed out, it's earned. Rank dosn't matter in this case. I've met high dan grades that I had no respect for their skill or teaching methods, any kyu ranks that I had a very high regard for. And still, I try to be nice to both. Additionally, I've from time to time, met individuals for whom I had a huge amount of respct for in regard to their skill level and very little respect for them in any other aspect. Again, I'm not one to equate ma's with self development, so I feel it's very posible to be a great fighter and not so much on the good person front. So do I respect teachers- maybe. It depends on their abilitys and more importatnly, what they think of their own abilities that earns this from me.