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today- light one back/bis

I think where you'll see this is in sd based systems that can operate outside the established rules for mma comps and whose concern is slightly different. For instance, small joint manips are often forbidden, and quite frankly not always very useful, under amature and often professional rules. However, in sd systems they can be a viable tool. The evolutionalry jump that I've found helpful in utilizing them is the decision on "when" to employ them and not "how". These are rarely as useful from an extended striking range as practitioners would believe. However, when utlized from clinch situations and arm drag type manuvers, they become much more useful for sd. Additionally, they are still highly valuable in weapons work, where control of the appendage weilding that weapon (say a knife) becomes a paramount concern. Now, the trick become training in such a way with these integrations that you are reasonably certain that they will work under fighting conditions. This is done by using training methodoligies learned from mma and other combat sports proponats and working under more realistic circumstances. For the sd'er, this would mean that after learning the movment (or better a handful of related or chained movements) then it should be trained under increasinly resistive circumstances. I think it's that area where you more likely to see the modification of more traditional movments to more useful fits for combat. For the rules established for the last 10 yrs or so of mma, I think that they've found the best tools for the guidelines established.

I think the whole of ma's should continue to do this not just mma. It's what will keep advancing the artform and it's overall efficiency.

I see your points on both sides. The thing about the above example is that there is not real "new" tactics in it. It's very well utilized movements in series that haven't be ulilized as much as we've seen others used. Does this make it new, or simple a good expreimental revolution that springs from an individuals unique background and physical capabilities? It's a valid question. I think that it's how things are put together that will be defined by experimentation. I think that's where the progress will largely be.

Yes, those are both really great traits that you bring from wrestling to other grappling arts. Great background. I think that even if you've never done it, it's worth learing a bit about and training with some pure wrestlers. Even if it's after your introduction into some form of jj.

Or, you could go even newer and call it the PR-24 Side Handled Baton . That was the designation that it got a few years back when a couple of DT programs were utlizing it in LE applications. It's since gone by the wayside. As to your actual question, I have no idea what would be most proper.

Glad to hear that it was so well recieved bushido man. I just got done working with DT for swat entry and apparently I'm now supposed to put together a lesson plan for brining non-compliant people out of cars. It's good to see what everyone else is doing and how they are structuring this sort of program as I get tapped to do more and more of this stuff. Now if I can just keep from getting myself or anyone else hurt . today- alot like yeasterdays since we had a different crew. 5, 3 min rounds (only 30 sec rests) 1- boxing only, focus on what we've been working on mitts recently live 2- add clinch, try to tranisiton smooth and control the infight 3- add takedowns. i keep working my wrestling skills at this phase 4- add grappling. work on getting good position from takedown primarily 5- add hand strikes while on the ground. gond control while striking is key I'd add kicks and leg attacks as well, but we've got two guys with nagging shin and/or foot problems so we've laid off a bit. 15 min of work on triangle and armbar series from guard. 3, 3 min rounds of free roll from knees stopped to review mount escapes and maintaining the mount for 10 1, 3 min free roll from standing.

I guess I still don't understand your argument, Boris, that this posture offers more survivability. In fact, if you're wearing body armor, it (along with a traditional weaver) will give you less due to the fact that you're presenting the lighter aspects of your vest. In the case of lighter (II's and lower) it's even an open area between the plates. In either case, you're removing the heavy trauma plate from the equation of taking a round for you if hit. Granted, this is a specialized example. Still, even without armor, gunfights are won by accurate, fast fire. A two handed grip makes this easier by a huge margin. Do this test, go fire 50 rounds from the 15 yard line two handed. Now do the same with a single hand, see which scores are higher. Now consider that this drop is prior to the adrenal dump of actual combat. If you don't live someplace that you have acess to this capability, you'll have to take the word of others who've done this sort of things and have see the results of examples just like this. As to why JusticeZero would automatically assume that you'll apply a firearm as a projectile weapon I wuld guess it'sbecause that's what it's designed to do. Everything else is secondary and quickly approaching a "worst case" situation. bushido man also makes a good point about who uses this method. It's been distilled over the years for efficiency. There has been a drastic upswing in LE officer survial during gun battles since the 70's. Part of the reason is body armor. The other part, is tactics. This includes the development of shooting stances like I talked about. It's a culmination of experimetation and hard lessions. I'd rather base my survival skill set off that than, again, a ma stance with a gun at the end.

today- 5 , 2 min rounds of sparring: round 1- boxing skills round 2- boxing and clinch round 3- boxing, clinch, takedown round 4- boxing, clinch, takedown, grapple round 5- boxing, clinch, takedown, grapple with hand strikes 10 min instructional block on triangle to armbar series 3, 3 min rounds for free roll from knees 3, 3 min rounds of free roll from standing my high single continues to improve.

Giving up the back is problematic early on for wrestlers. As is presenting the neck during takedown attempts (and drop their heads for upper cuts). Both are common due to the rule structure in the sport. It's something that one has to take into consideration when either entering other grappling arts (or any fighting arts) from wrestling. You also need to consider them when training wrestlers in further combat systems. Still, once you work out these glitches wrestling makes a great base sport from which to enter other grappling ma's or as an additive for indiviudals already training in them.

Almost forgot, bushido man,- what skill sets did you work with for your DT program? I've been doing a bit of work in the design area myself these days and am always curious to see how other people are putting things together.

bushido man, glad to hear that it was well received by your people. today- crossfit: 20 min running clock of- 5 pull ups 10 push ups 15 squats chest/tris

For everyone in LE professions, the open hand works out nicely due to the heavy emphsis on controlling with minimal force rather than beating into submission. Well, there's got to be a downside to every job .

Now seeing beast's post pop up, I'll second that. The trunk is safer even than a bag up front due to what's called "arm's reach". It's easier to justify the search of a vehicles cab than the trunk. Still, you should be fine either way. Just make sure they aren't prohibited weapons and don't give cops and excuse to searh your car if you can help it. If they do, don't lie about what's in it. It only makes things worse when they find qustionable items.

No, typically conceilment is considered on one's person. If it's in a bag it's storage. So, even if they found reasonable suspicion to search your bags, they couldn't charge you with anything unless they could prove intent to use in a crime. Which is no small feat. It's always best to be upfront about such things just as a matter of protocol. Tell them that you have them in your gym bag and why and it will go along way towards speculation as to their purpose. Technically a knife with over a certain inch blade is prohibited in IL, as are auto opening knives, but the truth is that there are so many out there they usually don't get fretted over. Unless the owner is trying to talk himself into trouble. Again, this is just my state and specifically how things are handled in my region of the state. Your milage may vary. We typically are more concened with firearms than anything else. For that you get a FOID check run ect. Even then, carried in a car, in a bag with no ammunition with the weapon and you wouldn't be in trobule as long as you had taken the time to get a state firearms id card. So I wouldn't worry about keeping them cased. Again, check into your local laws and oridanances before making any decisions.

Even under ideal circumstances, with highly trained individuals using proper movmements, you're going to have injuries of any kind, including the finger sprain. It can't be helped due to the dynamic nature of training hard. We do our best to minimize thses risks, but they are a cost of doing business. As to which hurts more, I couldn't even offer an opinion. I'm so bad at ball-centric sports it's not even funny.

I wouldn't be needed in IL. Surprisingly, we have no real laws regarding the possession of ma weapons without the intent to use them in a crime. If that were the case, there use would be an aggravating factor in the crime and a violation of what's called an Unlawful Use of Weapon law. But they are not, and have not been added to my knowledge, to the list of Scheduled weapons in IL state law.

I would agree that you shouldn't throw the open hand down vs. a kick. The risks of injury at that point out weigh any benifit. However, I try to black anything below the waist with legs and anything to the mid-section with a forarm or elbow. This makes the hand position less important. For head high kicks simply not being there is the best option. Not always possible, but the best option. If I get caught inside, I try to crash the gap first to take the brunt off the kick. In this case again, I try to go to the forarms for the parry and keep any force off the hands.

To spin off some thoughts started in another thread, I thought I'd start a new one to explore what everyone preferred in regard to parrying or blocking- the closed hand or open hand and then find out why. Personally, I use both but the closed hand sees limited use. I close the hand when executing a boxing style block of a hook to the head. This way the fist covers more area and provides more shock absorbtion. My hands go to a half closed position while using my elbows to parry mid level kicks. I think this is just habit and have no real good reason why it's either. The hands are opened for any sort of coverage of strikes to the head. This occurs either as I use them to intercept strikes or move the forarms to cover. I like the open hand for a couple of reasons. First off, it allows for a more relaxed muscular structure. This in turn allows for faster movement which means you're more likely to actually intercept things. Next up, it allows you to initiate grabs easier. This is paramount if you're either trapping, working small joints, or trying to initate a grapple. It also allows for the eye gouge almost automatically. On the down side, as was pointed out elsewhere, you can injure the fingers easier this way and you'll have to take time to clinch the fist down to a stiking surface when it's time. Still, despite this, I like them open. Now by open, I mean about half to a quarter clinced and together giving them some solid funcion. The increased relaxed posture makes everything quicker and this in turn will snap those punches out faster as well, despite the fact you have to lock the hand down a bit. The injury factor is there, but I feel it's mitigated by the off set advantage of everything else. Just my view. What's everything think?

today- 1 mile run crossfit: 20 min continous of- rowing 95 lbs sumo deadlift high pull x 21 reps 15 pull ups

I actaully did this backward and missed out on the high school wrestling. I was into shootfighting and then jj prior to studying wresling. I quickly started seeing how well wrestlers fared in the mma events I was part of early on and started working with wresters to pick up some of that game. Initally, I only worked on defending the shots and takedowns so I could apply my standing skills or pull to guard. Later, I started working the offensive side a tad more. Recently, I've done a big up swing in the pure wrestling I'm doing. I'd say a big thing to take away is just body feel and mechanics. This can make every aspect of the game easier and more natural. To go to simple movements, the sprawl and the high single might be the easiest and best stuff to incorporate. Followed by some of the arm drags and greco throws. But in the big picture, it's body mechanics and feel.

Traymond, no I don't. Seeing as I couldn't do more with either than "stick the pointy end into them". Its a theorectical assesment of them based on their advantages and disadvantages. I don't actually train with either. All things being equal, I'll always bet on .45, but that's outside the scope .

Yes, but martial artist who've trained a bulk of their lives in unarmed combat are hardly "laymen" when it comes to this field. Some might still be, but most have been around, seen quite a bit and usually have a keen mind about such matters. After seeing no evidence (hence, not even seeing the gymnastic feat) for years, and never having accadentally run into anythying that would be classified as dim mak the decision on which side of the fence to fall on become easier. I'll rethink my feeling on it when I see someone reliably do this kind of thing to another who isn't one of their own students . Then, I'll be an even bigger beleiver when someone utlized it in the UFC, say where opponants move at full speed and are really trying to inflict damage.

On a side note, if you do have them in the backseat and are questioned about them, don't turn around to pick one up and show it to the officer. This is a sure way to get a gun barrel in your face. I know, this should go without saying, but things like it have occured on more than one occassion.

Never had, or caused, a problem like that. In the US, you have to be pulled over for a reason. It's what's called Probable Cause. Speeding will do it, so will about a hundred other things, lights out, lane usage...you name it. Now, once contact is iniated, the officer gets anything in "plain view" unless there are other circustaces (arrest, furative movements, smells like weed, ect.). So, if there is something questable in plain view, then they get to ask about it. Depending on what state you're from (NY, I"m lookin' at you), ma weapons might be illegal or regualted in some way. This could easily lead to the situatin you're describing. Check your local reguations, even a note from someone might not be of use if the above facts are correct. Don't forget to check your local ordiances as well. Towns have an annoying habit of trying to make rules where no state or federal ones apply. Best bet, not in plain view. That means a bag or such which isn't really a big deal if on the way to the gym.