TJS Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 It is 3 forms of lies and that is; A lie, a darn lie and statistics..... and yes, it says something in general, that some of you believe everything you see on videos. LOL. Everyone know, or should know, that it isn't purely the style you train in it all depence on, but also the practitioner of that style and s/he's abillity to use what s/he had learned. So train hard and fight eazy folks..... Lets not come up with real facts or evidence......By all means lets not belive actual events that were recoreded on video, lets belive the events that were not and blindly belive what we are told...
Drunken Monkey Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 as i was saying, there is always the possibility that any video is fake. it's called propaganda. like i say, the first video is very suspect... still haven't found the other two. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
TJS Posted November 26, 2003 Posted November 26, 2003 as i was saying, there is always the possibility that any video is fake. it's called propaganda. like i say, the first video is very suspect... still haven't found the other two. Here is the WC vs Wrestling.. http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=15 looking at his face it's obviously not a "work". Here is the Kung Fu master Vs John Marsh http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=11 Since you hear his Shoulder/elbow snap Your not going to convince anyone this was a work. if those links dont work you can find the videos here- http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?s=f76f2a05703075ba49cdc79831a956ca&name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1
Drunken Monkey Posted November 26, 2003 Posted November 26, 2003 for the last tme. i am not saying i don't believe you or even trying to argue that the videos that show wing chun guy losing are fake. just pointing out the failures of statistics and videos as a 'reliable' source. in any case, thanks for the links. saved me a lot of time. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
shotokanwarrior Posted November 26, 2003 Posted November 26, 2003 Just because they say they are wing chun does not make a good fighter, it is the individual. I would have to say that emin boztepe is a great wc fighter and had bjj and NHB fighters decline challanges Where Art ends, nature begins.
Drunken Monkey Posted November 27, 2003 Posted November 27, 2003 ok, finally got the vids you mentioned. well first of all, like i keep saying, the first vid (against the karate guy) is suspect. i mean, can you see any sort of technique there? and the 'demonstration' of some forms in the beginning is just crap. you decide. i personally think it has little value. as for the second vid, i should point out that the skin-headed guy is keith kernspetch, head of the european wing tsun organisation. i should also point out that the clip looks like it was released by their organisation so i regard it to have little value. the guy whose arm you think you hear go 'pop' is only listed as a kung fu master. no style or lineage is mentioned. one thing bugs me about this video though. why on earth is that guy in a traditional chinese jacket? it's not like we insist we wear it to fight/train unlike a gi. it looks a bit suspect to me. the only one there of value is the ufc video. but then, as far as i'm aware, a lot of fights between other styles and mma look like that. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
TJS Posted November 27, 2003 Posted November 27, 2003 Just because they say they are wing chun does not make a good fighter, it is the individual. I would have to say that emin boztepe is a great wc fighter and had bjj and NHB fighters decline challanges Name one NHB fighter that Has declined a fight witrh Emin Boztepe?
TJS Posted November 27, 2003 Posted November 27, 2003 ok, finally got the vids you mentioned. well first of all, like i keep saying, the first vid (against the karate guy) is suspect. i mean, can you see any sort of technique there? and the 'demonstration' of some forms in the beginning is just crap. you decide. i personally think it has little value. as for the second vid, i should point out that the skin-headed guy is keith kernspetch, head of the european wing tsun organisation. i should also point out that the clip looks like it was released by their organisation so i regard it to have little value. the guy whose arm you think you hear go 'pop' is only listed as a kung fu master. no style or lineage is mentioned. one thing bugs me about this video though. why on earth is that guy in a traditional chinese jacket? it's not like we insist we wear it to fight/train unlike a gi. it looks a bit suspect to me. the only one there of value is the ufc video. but then, as far as i'm aware, a lot of fights between other styles and mma look like that. Im sure a well known NHB fighter and Pride FC veteran would go make up a video of him beating up a kung fu master. what would that prove?He fought because he was challenged by the KF Master.
Drunken Monkey Posted November 27, 2003 Posted November 27, 2003 you really do like arguing don't you. i go and point out what i think looks a bit dodgy and you go and make snide remarks. as i was saying. the guy is listed as a 'kung fu' master. where did you get the bit about him being a wing chun master? as for emin and his challenges. i was under the impression that he, benny urquidez and many others were challenged at the beginning of the ufc. emin says he issued a challenge back but he didn't get a reply. his words so make of it what you will. personally i can't find anything else that talks about this apart from things from him and his organisation (and past organisation). post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
TJS Posted November 27, 2003 Posted November 27, 2003 I really dont like arguing so we can drop this here, but I will make one last comment, If Emin was challenged at the Begining of the UFC wouldent it bemore logical to Fight in the UFC instead of Challenging back?
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