JohnnyS Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Cybren, You're right. Everyone knows BJJ black belts are easy to get and don't mean anything - just like TKD black belts BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
JohnnyS Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 By the way, I've been involved with BJJ for over 12 years and have *never* heard of a bad BJJ black belt. Can't say the same for most other arts though. BJJ is as tough as it gets when it comes to belt standards, so if someone is a black belt then yes, they are awesome. If someone is even a purple belt then are are extremely good. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
Cybren Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 The point is that he grappled with one of them. While I would think that they'd be good, as they'd earned a black belt, I find it silly that he'd make the large assumptiont that "BJJ black belts are good" from "My friend who is a BJJ black belt is good".
JohnnyS Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Then you obviously have no idea about BJJ. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
Cybren Posted October 22, 2003 Posted October 22, 2003 You obviously have no idea about logical thinking.
Transcendence Posted October 22, 2003 Posted October 22, 2003 I think the point Cybren is trying to put forth is you guys are stereotyping. It's like if the progenitor of this thread stated he fought a black man and the black man was a good fighter, then you guys would say ALL black people are good fighters. Or if he fought a German, and the German was a good fighter, then all Germans are good fighters. Stereotyping = Bad
JohnnyS Posted October 22, 2003 Posted October 22, 2003 You're taking political correctness (i.e. sterotyping being bad) to a ridiculous degree. It's a well known fact that BJJ grades are hard to come by, and that BJJers are excellent grapplers on the ground. Many people have said that BJJ black belts are awesome and the original poster also said this. You're point about stereotyping is ridiculous simply because all BJJ black belts ARE awesome ! Like I've said, I've never heard of a bad one, and I've been involved with the art for over twelve years. I know including myself in this may sound narcisistic, but to the normal martial artist or even to an excellent grappler, the same views would be held about BJJ black belts. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
Transcendence Posted October 22, 2003 Posted October 22, 2003 >Like I've said, I've never heard of a bad one You must have heard of them all of them then to make this assertion: >You're point about stereotyping is ridiculous simply because all BJJ black belts ARE awesome ! Otherwise that contention is baseless. >I've been involved with the art for over twelve years. Regardless, you must prove your contentions just as everyone else does.
JohnnyS Posted October 22, 2003 Posted October 22, 2003 How about YOU tell us of a bad BJJ black belt? I'm not going to get into an argument about logic over this - it's pointless. It's common knowledge that BJJ black belts are awesome grapplers - and unless you can point one out who isn't (good luck), then you don't have a leg to stand on. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
Cybren Posted October 22, 2003 Posted October 22, 2003 You miss the point. I'm not saying they aren't, however the point is he grappled with one, which hardly constitutes having grappled with all of them, in order to say "they're great grapplers". I know BJJ is really a grappling art, and I don't doubt that BJJ black belts are going to be good grapplers, however, the point is, you can't just say "point one out who isn't". Anectdotes aren't accepted as evidence using logic.
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