goshinman Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 I had a grappling session with a friend of a buddy of mine who is a BJJ blackbelt under the Machados' and Man, all I can say is . I had long heard that BJJ blackbelts were awesome and all but DAMN!!! Here's how it went. We met up at a local gym and laid out some mats and just clowned around as we streched. When it came time to roll I was nervous and excited all at the same time, we clinched and he nearly got a takedown right off the bat. We tussled a bit and I managed to throw him down with o soto gari and we both fell down with me ending up in his guard. Now I have good ground work but the difference between mine and his was monumental because as I tried to pass his guard he swept me and gained the top position in my half guard, which he easily passed and within 2 minutes he got me in an armbar and of course I tapped. I have grappled with BJJ bluebelts and have tapped some of them and have even rolled with bjj purplebelts and had success, but the difference in the blackbelt was huge!! His movements seemed so calm and effortless that it was almost as if he wasn't even trying hard. So after the first tap we stood up and went at it again. My game plan was to transition into a submission off of a throw. I have used this tactic with good success because most BJJ people are used to fighting on their backs but aren't ready for submission right off of the throw, hell most people aren't because they are to busy trying to breakfall. I am usually able to get a submission by using o soto otoshi (major outer drop) into ude garami (kimura) or especially o soto makikomi (major outer wrap around) into a kimura as well. I have also had success with a variation of kata guruma (fireman's carry) into an armbar. For some reason most BJJ people are very vulnerable to this, but the more seasoned peeps aren't as much. Anywayz I almost nailed him with a major outer wrap around into a kimura but I couldn't get it sunk in and he eventually rolled out of it. Needless to say with my best technique failing me I had little else to do but to try and throw his * around a bit and hopefully catch him with something, but nothing worked and he tapped me several times with minimal effort. I have been humbled by an awesome BJJ expert and acknowledge it. Now it's time to get back to training and comeback stronger. I must give BJJ it's props. Their blackbelts truly are great and they live up to all of the hype. I am too pumped up to fall asleep right now because I loved every second of it and I wish I could go at it again. I saw so many opprotunities for submissions but couldn't get to them fast enough and that ticks me off. Well enough of my blabbering, any suggestions for next time anybody? Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
TJS Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 Sounds fun, I always enjoy working out with people from other styles/schools. just out of curiosity,what is your grappling background and how long have you been doing it?
goshinman Posted September 30, 2003 Author Posted September 30, 2003 I wrestled in highschool, I studied for a year and a half under Gokor Chivichyan and Gene Lebell at the Hayastan academy, and have been studying japanese jujutsu for the past 6 years. I have also dabbled in catch wrestling and chinese shuai chiao for some time as well. So all together I have about 12 years of grappling experience with different grappling systems. Now I just mainly focus on my jujutsu training. Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
TJS Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 Did you watch UFC 44? Karo Parysian made his Octagon debut and pulled on some very slick judo throws and beat a BJJ veteran fighter by a kimura he set up off a throw. Very Exciting fighter. He supposably was a product of Gokor and Gene Lebell.
goshinman Posted October 1, 2003 Author Posted October 1, 2003 Yeah I watched it and I belive I saw Gokor and Gene there as well. What a great UFC it was! And yes I saw Karo's fight. That guy is going to do big things in the UFC if he can stop leaving his head out after he throws a power punch. And how about the "Natural". That guy is now without question the best in the world. Now if only they could set him up with Frank Shamrock. Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
kenpo4life Posted October 3, 2003 Posted October 3, 2003 You think grappling with a Machado bb is bad? Try grappling a Machado It is very humbling. I have rolled with 6 Gracies, vitor, Kurt Osiandor and a few other killers. It is amazing how much their styles differ, but how you learn to tap a variety of ways. If my survival means your total destruction, then so be it.
goshinman Posted October 3, 2003 Author Posted October 3, 2003 You think grappling with a Machado bb is bad? Try grappling a Machado It is very humbling. I have rolled with 6 Gracies, vitor, Kurt Osiandor and a few other killers. It is amazing how much their styles differ, but how you learn to tap a variety of ways. Yeah I know what you mean. By the way there is something I have noticed when grappling BJJ people that you may have noticed as well. Is it just me or do Machado students know throws and breakfalls better then Gracie students. I have rolled with Gracie JJ peeps before and they always seemed to have trouble defending against throws into submissions and their breakfalling left a lot to be desired. But this Machado JJ guy I rolled with was right on it. He had good defence against my stuff and he knew throws as well. It also seemed to me that he had a little wrestling flavor in his ground game as well. I don't know, I guess it depends on the individual and their grappling background, ect. Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
kenpo4life Posted October 6, 2003 Posted October 6, 2003 Machado's tend to be a little more versed in judo style ukemi and stuff in my experiene. But I think that a lot of their schools are too focused on sport techniques. I think that as much as Gracie Torrance is a rip-off, they tend to teach better basics and self-defense techniques. If my survival means your total destruction, then so be it.
goshinman Posted October 7, 2003 Author Posted October 7, 2003 Gotcha, thanks for the input. Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
Cybren Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 okay...fighting with ONE practioner in no way is a reflection of all of them. You can say "That guy was damn good", but it's quite an assumption to go from "my friend beat me" to "All BJJ black belts are awesome"
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