Bruce Lee vs Jackie Chan

[dethfire]

or howabout chuck norris against jean claud van damme

 

[ This Message was edited by: dethfire on 2001-10-28 20:48 ]

[ChangWuJi]

Interesting subject because recently I read a message by a certain poster on a different message board which says Bruce Lee is still alive. I am still pondering whether this guy really believes in what he's saying. Here I'll post it for fun:

 

"Bruce Lee, no doubt. Jackie Chan's good, but Bruce Lee would take him down, no question. Even Jet Li is no comparison. I've seen a tournament when Jackie was about, say, 19 I think, where his opponent was Jet Li. Jackie won. Jackie Chan is more of a traditional guy, whereas Jet Li is one speedy guy. Sure, Jackie Chan studied a lot of styles, but Bruce Lee MADE one. How's that for originality, huh. A very effective style, at that. And you people say Bruce Lee is dead? Hell no. He's alive. All that information you guys mentioned earlier about his death and how he died, that was all crap conjured up by scientists which made his death look believable. I've seen a many documentaries on him, and they all say the same thing: he died for unknown reasons; no one knows how he really died; his wife came home one day and found him unconscious on the floor, etc. It's all bull. I honestly believe that. And has anyone here seen the footage of his funeral? They did a close-up of him in the coffin, and I swear, it looked nothing like him. And to top it all off, only the face was showing, the body was covered, and the face that was shown looked like a man-made mask. I'm serious. They put the footage of the funeral in Game of Death, check it out. If he wanted to fake his death, here's one reason why I'd think he'd do such a thing. Too many people were always coming up to him on the streets, always wanting a fight. Of course they got beat up. My theory is that he wanted to get away from all that, and just wanted peace. My friend's mom once said she saw Bruce Lee walking down the street in San Francisco, in a disguise. She said he was wearing a hat and sunglasses and baggy clothes and such, I guess he was trying to blend in and just have a pleasant walk down the street. But my friend's mom recognized him and said "Hey you're that guy in those movies." And he looked at her and said, "Don't tell anyone," and walked off. I don't think she made that up either, she knows next to nothing about him and martial arts, she wouldn't have any reason to cook up something like that. Which ties into my theory about how he just wanted to live a normal life. Which then again ties into the Jackie Chan thing. If Bruce Lee was/is alive right now, think about how good he would've/has become. You think he was damn good back then? Hah, if he was/is alive now, I bet he could take down Jackie Chan and Jet Li at the same time. I truly believe all this, and I'm pretty sure many people out there disagree with me, just please don't flame me...badly."

 

 

[winterkarate]

Bbuce lee did NOT make a style. he adapted a few to make it easier and free flowing for himself. he never said he'd made one in fact his words were more along the line of there are no set styles just free flowing movements. jeet kune do was not a specific martial art. and in a straight fight JACKIE CHAN would kick his ass. easy! :nod:

 

 

[Rambo2001]

Bruce Lees crap i could kick him in jackie chans funny and good and doesnt make strange noises after hes kicked someone in

[Karateka_latino]

It think we don't put out Jakie Chan. just because he looks funny on screen it doesn't mean he can't kick butt.

 

I have been reading a bio of jackie. and the guy trully knows a lot of styles.

 

Nothern and Sourthen Kung Fu, Pak Mei, Wing Chun, Hung gar, Boxing, karate, Taekwondo , Hapkido, etc.. Jackie is heavy into boxing as Bruce was.

 

besides they guy was training since he was a kid on the Chinese Opera.. Bruce started to train when he was a teenager.

 

People often think ( i accept sometimes i thought that too ) that Bruce will win for sure , but that is mostly because of the legend and the unbeatable label he have.. But remember nothing is sure in a fight, and I think a fight between them, Jackie could have a LOT of chances to win.

 

 

[Jiggy9]

Both have totally different styles, but literally the traditional styles Jackie uses arent much use in street fights now adays...sure his looks better on t.v, But Bruce Lee's are more effective...and for that simple reason bruce would kick jackie's ass....

 

See, jackie isnt as innovative as bruce, bruce wouldve seen most jackie had to offer and known the counters...but bruce mad new ish...and Jackie wouldnt manage....

 

 

[ChangWuJi]

On 2001-11-03 09:37, Jiggy9 wrote:

 

Both have totally different styles, but literally the traditional styles Jackie uses arent much use in street fights now adays

 

you know ****.You're starting to piss me off with your lack of knowledge. What are you 12? Seriously where did you get this idea? Have you actually fought or trained with traditional Kung Fu experts?

 

I am sick of people saying my style is better/superior etc. People like you give the martial arts a bad name. Remember The basics are the most important Five kicks can make you unbeatable. Get a clue man, the problem is internal. And it is not the style but the practisioner that determines the winner.

 

All styles have two things in common. "Attack" and "defend". That is what makes all styles equal. It will always ultimately come down to the fighters and to circumstances during the fight. Think they're Chin Na wouldn't hurt? Please.

 

Train in what you believe in and go as far with it as you can. But I guarantee you. Lots of people disagree with me, I know that. Half of the time is because they're trying to advance they're own agenda. Me? I have no agenda. Nor do I really care.

 

I'm here in Virgina, I've been in fights, I've used martial arts, traditional at that.

 

Bruce did believe certain techniques were better for some than others, for individuals man. He never said this technique won't work for anyone. But like TKD wouldn't necessarily be a good art for a big slow dude, Wing Chun would suck for a guy with no arms, Mantis would suck for a guy with asthma etc etc etc. Don't tell me my interpretation is wrong, it isn't wrong you just haven't reached the point where you can understand it yet. It's a very simple concept. What styles do you train? FOr how long?

 

Quit trying to school me son because it's not gonna happen. Go lose another arguement about bjj. Become Microsft certified, make some kool aid. Anything.

 

 

[Jiggy9]

I think i should start off with an apology.

 

Im sorry to hear that my opinion on a topic pisses you off, but on recollection i did misphrase what i meant to say, so let me clear that out.

 

I'm not trying to school anyone, just voicing my view point and it's true i havent fought any kung fu expert.

 

Firstly, when i referred to 'style' i meant each fighters own personal style not their respective arts.

 

Additionaly,the biggest error in my statement was that i said Bruce Lee made his own techniques which were more effective then traditional ones. Which, reading now makes no sense to me because he never actually created a new art just took techniques from traditional arts and incorporated them into his style.

 

However, I feel that circumstances and fight environment has changed considerably since the 'creation' of kung fu or any other 'traditional' art...and certain techniques within the art have become more effective and some not so effective. ( i say this as a viewpoint )

 

I think to be a succesfull allround fighter one must adapt and be proficient at punching, kicking, grappaling and ground fighting- nowadays.

 

I dont dispute that it is the fighter not the art that determines the winner...What i am saying is that Bruce Lee picked out the most effective techniques from the arts and incorporated them into his own style, and thus improved his own kicking,grappaling and ground fighting from his early Wing Tsun days...and thats why I think that on a head to head battle Bruce Lee would be more succesfull.

 

So i apologise for confusing art and style together in my post - thats not what i meant, and i agree with youre concepts/interpretations totally and i dont think i have an agenda regarding who is better bruce lee or jackie chan..doesnt affect me in any way.

 

Finally regarding my Personal martial arts history :

 

I've trained in karate for 10 years, JKD for 5yrs, Judo for 2yrs, and Wing Tsun for 6 months but the instructor left...oh and Wushu n Tai Chi for 3 weeks now.

 

Im also sorry to dissappoint you, but im not a kid. I'm also trying to stay open minded as i can here - but i always thought forums were for people to talk to other people and express their opinions, I do anything wrong? Anyways I realise my viewpoint pissed you off, apologies -but did you really need to get personal about it?

 

 

 

 

[ChangWuJi]

You can't prove your point man, you still don't see what I'm saying.

 

I'm saying any technique can work in the right situation. It's just a basic fact man! If you don't see the kick coming and it catches you in the chin, you're on the freakin floor. Bottomline. You put too much emphasis on style and not enough on individuals.

 

There are no such thing as superior styles. That crap is for egos.

 

Just because something doesn't LOOK useful doesnt mean it isn't. You gotta remember, back in the 50's people thought that even Karate looked like a dance. Then in the 60's people said Kung Fu(TRADITIONAL KUNG FU) was flowery and ineffective. Soft boned and all of that.

 

 

[Slim]

Sounds like you have quite a history there Jiggy9, good on you. You obviosly have a reasonable understanding of the subject.

 

Wouldnt someone taking the best parts of a couple of arts and combining them be creating a new style?