whynot Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Another thought: who says that this person wants to cause you physical harm? That is a dangerous conclusion to be jumping to. Do not take it to that level if it does not need to be brought there. All you know right now is that this person wants to get under your skin; not that they want you hurt and/or dead. Do not be the one to escalate the situation; testosterone is a terrible thing to think with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sano Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 you can tell you do not live in the U.S. or may be you live in wisconsin. whynot you would not last one day on the streets of new york or chicago. falcon kick!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whynot Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 What is with the personal attack sano? As a matter of fact I do live in the U.S. and I do not live in Wisconsin. I have noticed that there are people on this board from Wisconsin that may take offense to what seemed to be a derogatory statement towards residents of that state. As for surviving a day in New York, I am quite sure that I could handle it. In Chicago, I lasted several days. Toronto, Detroit, and Las Vegas too. But really, perhaps you can explain to me why the situation should be escalated if it does not need to be. I promise I will listen with an open mind, though I do reserve the right to defend my position. In my opinion, it is naive to think that you can show up with the intention to pound someone without knowing any details about them, and think that you have the upper hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whynot Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Also, how is it you can so thoroughly tell everything about me from a mere 19 (this will make 20) posts to be able to tell me with such certainty that I lack the qualities to survive in New York or Chicago. You have piqued my curiosity and I wonder what it is that one needs to survive in these cities, and of those things, what do I lack? Perhaps I do lack such traits, but perhaps I do not. You have already erroneously judged where I live; it may be that you have misjudged my mettle too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warp Spider Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 In Chicago, I lasted several days. Toronto, Detroit, and Las Vegas too. Dear God, not Toronto! Last I checked those weren't exactly dangerous cities. Actually, no city in the US to my knowledge is particularly dangerous. You can easily survive in New York or LA even making the assumption that noone will harm you. Although those places have a bad reputation and may have a relatively high incidence of violent crime in the western world, it's still entirely possible to live your entire life in LA and never get attacked. Sarajevo would have been a better example. Paladin - A holy beat down in the name of God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whynot Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 I agree with you Warp Spider: there really are not any cities in the U.S or Canada that are so violent that a person could not live their entire lives there without having a brush with death from another person attacking them. I also agree that Sarajevo is a better example, as is Tel Aviv or Baghdad, but I have never visited those places. The point I was trying to make is that big cities are not as harsh as they are sometimes made out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingkaratechamp Posted September 26, 2003 Author Share Posted September 26, 2003 Listen i live in Brooklyn for all of my 17 years of livoing and I'm alive/Lets get back on topic people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warp Spider Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 I think that I should stress again that meeting this person without the authorities being involved is a bad idea. You would be on their turf and they would be holding all of the cards. Sure, you can try and show up with friends, but what is going to keep them from doing the same? Also, if this person knows so many intimate details about you and your personal life, how do you know for sure that they do not know who all of your friends are? It is entirely possible that this person could stake the area out before hand and notice that a bunch of people associated with you just happen to be hanging around for some reason. That would immediately clue the person off and all they would have to do is walk away; you would never even know if he/she was there in the first place because you know nothing about them. Use the pincer! They'll never see it coming! If you're worried about them seeing you, your forces can wait inside cargo vans and spill out when the time is right. Tactical Vests, PASGT helmets, and nightsticks/stun batons/G36 (depending on legalities) for everyone. Dahahah, the look on their face alone would be priceless!And if you people spouting the kill or be killed mentality want to take it to that extreme, try this scenario: the person shows up with a bomb strapped to their chest. Unless you and your friends can mutate your skin to steel like Colussus, you are all dead. Actually the effectiveness of bombs like that is massively overrated. Explosives have to be buried within something to effectively damage it. For comparison, a nuclear bomb can take out a good chunk of a city. But it's also the equivalent of several thousand tons of standard explosive material. So, if we scale that down to the maximum amount this person could concievably carry, say 100 pounds of explosives, (and that would be a lot of explosives to strap to yourself) we're still talking about a relatively small explosion. There would be a lot of "fire," but the actual heat and shockwave in the majority of the apparent area of effect is actually quite small. The only real hazard to a small non-penetrating explosive like that is shrapnel, which can be more or less avoided by falling to the ground and covering your head. The reason suicide bombings are relatively effective inside buses, etc. is because it's enclosed and thus a large amount of pressure can build up. Plus the bus usually crashes too. The greater risk in this instance would be that person carrying a handgun or compact submachinegun, but if you have 2 or three cargo vans full of people carrying assault rifles, that danger is minimal.We do not live in the wild west where it is survival of the fittest. We live in a time in which it is survival of the smartest. You want the authorities on your side, so get them on it. Pounding some person you may or may not know with a dozen of your friends around is not going to win their favor, regardless of whether the person has been harrassing you. How will you prove it? They will have no record of the harrassment, no documentation of it, just your word, and that will not be good enough. This is true, but the police are not going to lie in ambush to try and catch the guy. As serious as the situation may be, it's just some guy who apparently knows a lot that he has no feasable way of knowing. That's not a crime, and there is no law saying that you cant send a person unsolicited instant messages. As far as the authorities are concerned, this is no more serious than an ex-boy/girlfriend who won't stop calling or telemarketers. Paladin - A holy beat down in the name of God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanseijas Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Well, Champ, any new updates? Has he been sending you any more weirdness? The patch or crest worn by Isshinryu karateka often raises admiration and curiosity. The patch is based on a day dream Tatsuo Shimabuku had in the fifties while he was creating his karate style. This dream was the missing piece in the puzzle called Isshinryu. The patch is often incorrectly called Mizu Gami, which means 'water goddess'. Originally the Isshinryu emblem was called 'Isshinryu No Megami', which means 'Goddess of Isshinryu'. The goddess is the Goddess of Isshinryu karate and not the goddess of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whynot Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Warp Spider, I do have to agree that the look on someone's face as people spilled unexpectedly out of a couple of vans in full tactical gear would be pretty priceless. It may be over the top, but it would be fun to witness. I disagree, to an extent, the degree of effectiveness that suicide bombing can have. I will concede that it is more effective in confined spaces, such as a bus, but that is not the only reason that buses are attacked; they are also full of many people within a small blast radius. The scenario I had in mind when I brought the possibility of suicide bombing up was one in which someone and a few of their friends had a face to face confrontation with the stalker person, without weapons of their own, or a tactical team for backup. By face to face, I mean that they all withing, or very close to, normal striking range for hands and feet. In this case, I would think that a fifty pound explosive with a few pounds of nails attached would be effective enough in killing or seriously injuring all involved parties. If the nails were placed around the suicide bombers entire body, and the explosive were on both the person's front and back, the blast and shrapnel would be enough to kill, or seriously injure someone within normal striking range. For the part about the police being involved, there is a good chance, especially if one lives in a densely populated area with more pressing matters, that they may not give much attention to a situation such as this. However, if they do have on record that this situation was going on, and the time came to take matters into one's own hands, then at least one has some kind of defense in court if the stalker person tries to press assault charges after they are taken out. It can be pointed out that there was a persistant problem with the stalker that escalated to necessitate force, and the police had documentation of this very problem, yet did not act on it themselves. In my opinion, it is just covering a possible liability, and it is better to have thought through all scenarios than to simply disregard one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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