Foreverlearning Posted October 15, 2001 Posted October 15, 2001 Ever since watching ultimate fightings Kimo and his style that he uses Pankration, i am just amazed at how the Greeks invented such a practical fighting style so early on. It was even done in the ancient olympics with 2 rules, no biting and eye gouging. Its a shame no one around my area for like 1000 miles teaches it, even more amazing cuz in Phoenix there is cage fighting and cage fighting schools, and i think Pankration would fit right in. Any comments or thoughts would be welcome
bagpuss Posted October 15, 2001 Posted October 15, 2001 Never heard of pankration sounds cool, can you give us more info on it bagpuss 5th kyu shotokan karate Redhall karate international black belt school. https://www.wlsa.bravehost.com
moobrack Posted October 15, 2001 Posted October 15, 2001 Cage Fighting school, whatever next!This Pankration sounds interesting, I am gonna try look something up on it.I will let you know anything that I find!!! Anthony Bullock1st Dan Black Belt - Shotokan Karate5th Kyu Yellow Belt - Aiki-Jutsuhttps://www.universaldojo.com Coming Soon
moobrack Posted October 15, 2001 Posted October 15, 2001 How is this? The Greek race is certainly well-known for its athletic and military achievements in the PreChristian era. In truth, we must credit them for both the word "athlete" and the ideal it expresses. It was also the Greek soldier who would represent the standard for the rest of the world to follow for centuries. The contribution of the Greeks to the evolution of the martial arts, as we presently know them, is now certainly evident. Fighting systems that have originated in both Eastern and Western parts of the world may indeed be linked to this ancient combat form. Over 2000 years ago, the ancient Greeks had developed a brutal, all-out combat form which they named Pankration (pronounced pan/cray/shun or pan-crat-ee-on depending on the dialect). The term is derived from the Greek adjectives pan and kratos and is translated to mean "all powers" or "all-encompassing." First introduced into the Olympic Games of 648 B.C., pankration would soon become the most popular and most demanding of all athletic events. It integrated every physical and mental resource - hands and feet, mind and spirit - in the closest simulation of no-holds-barred competitive fighting that any culture has ever allowed. Only biting and gouging were prohibited. Anything else went, although the tough Spartan contingent allowed these, too, in their local athletic festivals. The techniques included a murderous mixture of Hellenic boxing and wrestling: hook and uppercut punches, full-powered kicks, elbowing and kneeing, joint locks, as well as numerous submission chokeholds. Kicking was an essential part of pankration, especially rising kicks to the groin or stomach, and powerful leg sweeps meant to take an opponent off his feet. Kicks above the belt were used sparingly, with blows aimed to the head or face only when one's adversary was on the ground and too weakened to block or catch the attacker's foot. Due to this unique tactic alone, some combative experts credit pankration as the first comprehensive unarmed fighting system on record. Pankration bouts were extremely brutal and sometimes life-threatening to the competitors. Rules were minimal in number. In addition, there were no weight divisions and no time limits. The fighting arena or "ring" was no more than twelve to fourteen-feet square to encourage close-quarter action. Referees were armed with stout rods or switches to enforce the rules against biting and gouging. The rules, however, were often broken by some participants who, realizing they were outclassed by a heavier and stronger foe, would resort to such measures to escape being seriously maimed. The contest itself continued uninterrupted until one of the combatants either surrendered, suffered unconsciousness, or, of course, was killed. Although knockouts were common, most pankration battles were decided on the ground where both striking and submission techniques would freely come into play. Pankratiasts were highly-skilled grapplers and were extremely effective in applying a variety of takedowns, chokes, and punishing joint locks. Strangulation was most feared during ground combat, and was the leading cause of death in matches. A fighter would immediately raise his arm in defeat once his opponent's forearm had secured a firm grip across the windpipe or carotid artery. The feats of the ancient pankratiasts became legendary in the annals of Greek athletics. Stories abound of past champions and masters who were considered invincible beings. Arrichion, Dioxxipus, and Polydamos are among the most highly-recognized names, their accomplishments defying the odds by besting multiple armed opponents in life-and-death combat, and battling and killing lions when human competition was no longer a feasible challenge. It is also theorized that the famed strongman Hercules was the first Olympic victor in pankration. Exhibitions of superhuman strength were frequently witnessed by the awe-struck Greek people. Practitioners displayed the power of pneuma (Gr. inner energy) by breaking stones and planks with their bare fists and driving their hardened feet through forged war shields. The Romans would later adopt pankration into their particular athletic contests, but their modifications would degrade it to a mere blood sport. The fighters were now armed with the dreaded caestus, a weighted and spiked glove which reigned blows with deadly results. In Rome it was not unusual for such public brutality, as it was the rule rather than the exception, to quench the spectator's thirst for gore. This alteration, however, diminished the skill and aesthetic value that the Greek race had come to admire in their athletes. Rarely, if ever, did a true Greek pankratiast participate in the savage gladiatorial arenas of Rome, even though the were often tempted by higher purses and positions within the powerful Roman empire. Pankration was basic to the majority of the Greek warriors who served under Alexander the Great during his invasion of India in 326 B.C. Many authorities now contend that this dispersal of pankration techniques throughout the subcontinent laid the foundation for countless Asian martial arts which evolved soon thereafter, including Chinese kung fu, Okinawan karate, and Japanese jiujitsu. This theory has been the subject of a raging controversy for the past twenty years. Anthony Bullock1st Dan Black Belt - Shotokan Karate5th Kyu Yellow Belt - Aiki-Jutsuhttps://www.universaldojo.com Coming Soon
bustr Posted October 15, 2001 Posted October 15, 2001 Here are some interesting links on the subject: http://www.chez.com/pancrace/iupad/index.html http://tkdtutor.com/02-Taekwondo/TKD%20History/02%20Ancient%20Beginnings.htm http://php.iupui.edu/~jrrussel/pankrationtext.htm
Foreverlearning Posted October 15, 2001 Author Posted October 15, 2001 Well, it seems that when it comes to learning how to fight, what better place to turn than to the Greeks? I think too many people give creedence to the Thais for their boxing as being the ultimate style of self defence and fighting. In my opinion a skilled pankrationist could easily put away 5 Thai boxers in 6 and a half minutes just like that legendary fight between between a Thai boxer and 5 kung fu masters. Too much credit is given to the East for their accomplishments but many forget the accomplishments the greeks had on martial arts culture.
Foreverlearning Posted October 15, 2001 Author Posted October 15, 2001 I got some more stuff as a result of those links posted here are some excerpts to pique your interest On a monument praising the achievements of a Pankration champion, were mentioned his "broad feet" and his "unconquered hands". In a satire on the professional athletes, Galen awarded the prize of Pankration to an ass because of its ability to kick. But there is better, spinning and jumping kicks were also used and formed integral part of Pankration training, nevertheless they were probably not used during the fights, the slippery mud and tiredness prevented this kind of techniques, certainly spectacular, but completely ineffective and unrealisable in a combat as much realistic as is Pankration-wow, that disses alot of supposed arts that are supposed to be the king of fighting skills. I understand Wu Su is more art, but for fighting, geeze thats nuts. At the time of Alexander's conquests and in the heart of his army, broke out a dilemma, which opposed two Greek soldiers Coragus and Dioxippus, the latter Pankration Champion. Coragus presented himself covered of his armour and armed to the teeth. Dioxippus, as for him, arrived on the spot of the meeting entirely naked and the body oiled with, as only weapon, a stick. After having dodged a flung javelin and avoided a blow of spear by using its stick, Dioxippus bore down on Coragus to prevent him drawing his sword and violently threw him on the ground. As testifies this account, Pankration proved to be frighteningly effective, even against an armed opponent-i am going to look into this "art" more
Joecooke007 Posted November 26, 2001 Posted November 26, 2001 Cool. Can you e-mail me with more info on pankration. Boards don't hit back. -Bruce Lee
cymry Posted October 18, 2003 Posted October 18, 2003 Jim Arvanitis (the father of modern Pankration) has a few instructional videos. His TRS tapes are pretty good if you want to know more about the history of the art and basic techniques. I curently own the 'Close Range Fighting' and 'Fight-Ending Ground Skills' tapes.
cymry Posted October 18, 2003 Posted October 18, 2003 I also like the fact that he says (contrary to what the notorious TRS ads say) that you need DISCIPLINED PRACTICE for the material to work.
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