Sibylla Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 Why are some instructors so scary/angry? Is it part of the karate curriculum to become more or less demonic when instructing? This guy's got one of the meanest stares I've ever seen, that and the comments, shouting etc. can sometimes make me feel like absolute sh*t...I don't need false compliments, but I don't want to be treated like a lesser human being either. What is the purpose of this behavior from some instructors? And how do people cope with it?
WhiteShark Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 I "cope" with it by finding a new instructor! There is no reason to take that kind of crap from somebody, when there are plenty of very talented instructors who aren't A$$holes. If you still want an "answer" the old karate instructors in Japan who first taught martial arts to forigners treated students this way becasue the Japanes believed themselves to be a seperate superior race. People like Kano (founder of Judo) and other enlightened teachers slowly changed this perspective in the 20th century. So it's likely that your instructor was taught by an old school Japanese guy. Or, he's just a Jerk! Rock Paper ScissorPunch Knee Kick^ME^ ^MY DOJO^
tommarker Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 could be that they are trying to help you learn to develop your technique in a stressful situation. the day you need reverse punch, you will not have a happy person encouraging you when you do it right. i'm not saying it's appropriate all the time, but it is a good reality check once in awhile. I'm no longer posting here. Adios.
Sibylla Posted September 16, 2003 Author Posted September 16, 2003 Well, the instructor in question is japanese, so I guess I've been misinformed about their "niceness"... Don't know if he is trying to toughen me up, but he's been going harder at me than the others right from the start. I try to overlook it and not letting it get to me, but sometimes it is hard, esp. since I don't understand his motivation..
CheekyMusician Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 When I first started at my karate club I felt the same way about my instructor. He was intimidation personified. In fact, my friend and I were so scared that for the first month or so we refused to go to the adult class that we were supposed to attend, and chose to go to a kids class that was run by the "nice" instructor. Even at that, the first week we decided to go to the adults class, the scary instructor just walked in the door and my friend and I were so freaked out that we almost left. Over time I got accustomed to him, though, and now I think he totally rocks! Smile. It makes people wonder what you've been up to.
gheinisch Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 It sounds like you are in an enviroment of verbal abuse and intimidation which is not good. It's Ok to be stern and forceful with commands and corrections but when it's constant and directed mostly at you is when its a problem. This can create a place where you are supose to learn and grow into a place of fear. One should never be afraid or intimidated from asking questions. How else are you supposed to learn? Is he like this when you have regular conversations with him or only during class? Do you think he is singling you out or does it just seem that way? Our Hanshi tells us that we can talk to him about anything, karate related are not. We are in a family that should help each other, not instill fear. IMHO "If your hand goes forth withhold your temper""If your temper goes forth withold your hand"-Gichin Funakoshi
Sasori_Te Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 My advice to you is to ask him. Catch him before or right after class and ask if there's a reason for it. He'll either tell you or tell you to get out if you don't like it. Either way the problem is solved. There's no reason to go on putting up with it if you don't like it. He's not going to physically do anything to you for asking. If you're afraid to ask then perhaps you're in the wrong place. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
sano Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 if he's doing it only to you than he see potential in you and wants to do whatever it take to make you the next big think. i know one of my instructors use to do that and he told me the same thing. falcon kick!!!
Sauzin Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 I don’t know if I would classify my instructor as scary or demonic when instructing but he definitely gives his fair share of angry stares, shouts, and he is very good at making someone feel like sh*t. The reasons, as he explains it, are simple. He believes that shouting and harsh instruction motivates learning. He doesn’t think that people are able to realize the need for change unless you startle them and force them to recognize that what they are doing is wrong. He also believes that a student must first feel like he knows nothing before he is ready to learn. In short, he is a big believer in negative reinforcement. Coincidently he spent over 20 years in the military. People have told him that he is an a$$hole. He is not welcome in several dojo’s. Most (99%) women refuse to train under him. However, here in Boise, Idaho I honestly believe he is the best martial artist in the state, hands down. He is probably one of the best weapons practitioners in the world. When a weapon is in his hands he moves with such power and precision you would think he was born with it attached to him. He is phenomenal, but his attitude is such that he has only about 5 active students. But if you’re lucky and determined enough to be one of those 5, I honestly believe you are getting some of the best instruction in the world. Only problem is you basically have to hate yourself to put up with it. Personally I agree with what everyone said. People shouldn’t have to put up with this kind of treatment. And they don't. But I have stuck with my instructor for a little over 6 years now and I would not be half the martial artist I am today were it not for him. I guess a nice personality and great skill don't always go hand and hand. But I don't go to his class to learn how to be a good person, or because I like his personality. I go to his class because I refuse to learn martial arts from anyone but the best I can find. -Paul Holsinger The only two things that stand between an effective art and one that isn't are a tradition to draw knowledge from and the mind to practice it.
kataman Posted September 17, 2003 Posted September 17, 2003 I "cope" with it by finding a new instructor! There is no reason to take that kind of crap from somebody, when there are plenty of very talented instructors who aren't A$$holes. If you still want an "answer" the old karate instructors in Japan who first taught martial arts to forigners treated students this way becasue the Japanes believed themselves to be a seperate superior race. People like Kano (founder of Judo) and other enlightened teachers slowly changed this perspective in the 20th century. So it's likely that your instructor was taught by an old school Japanese guy. Or, he's just a Jerk!I have to admit that white shak is right even in the movie when there is a master an a student the master always teached the hard way.I belived in learning in a friendly environement as long as you remain mature and grow with in the art. I don't train for belt color I train to survive on the street
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