goshinman Posted September 8, 2003 Posted September 8, 2003 Here is an awesome link that describes the epic battle between the old jujutsu masters and the new judoka. Read it and let's discuss. I think one of the most telling aspects of the events surrounding the battle is that Kano NEVER doubted the effectiveness of the jujutsuka but was in fact worried about the matches because he knew the high skill level of the jujutsu fighters. Also I included another link to give a history on the why and how Kano developed the Judo. In short; he didn't like the UFC style events most Jujutsu practitioners were putting on and wanted to distingish his style from the Jujutsuka. Very good read. Click here for the battle: http://www.furyu.com/archives/issue3/judo.html And here for the history: http://www.judoinfo.com/jhist3.htm The latter is a rather long read but informative for anyone interested, enjoy! Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
goshinman Posted September 10, 2003 Author Posted September 10, 2003 Anyone care to at least comment? Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
WhiteShark Posted September 10, 2003 Posted September 10, 2003 I've also read a few books on Judo, and I must say I think that Kano's biggest contribution to Martial Arts is his mental shift to a more positive training atmosphere. Without that the popularization of all Japanese Arts would have suffered. Rock Paper ScissorPunch Knee Kick^ME^ ^MY DOJO^
goshinman Posted September 10, 2003 Author Posted September 10, 2003 I've also read a few books on Judo, and I must say I think that Kano's biggest contribution to Martial Arts is his mental shift to a more positive training atmosphere. Without that the popularization of all Japanese Arts would have suffered. You are correct. the jujutsuka mind set was on win or lose, life or death. In the old days that was the mind set you had to have to survive in feudal japan. But that changed in the meji era and the old way of bushido was replaced by a more peaceful and progressive mind set. And I had no idea that jujutsu masters treated new students in that way. Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
goshinman Posted September 10, 2003 Author Posted September 10, 2003 Judo owned. Yeah yeah. Interesting to note that the throw Saigo used to defeat his opponent most likely had it's root's in daito aikijitsu. Judo may have won those matches but mark my words: We'll be back!!! There is a movement going on in japanese jujutsu circles and we plan to bring jujutsu back into the forefront as the one of the best arts in the world. The plan is to first take on the BJJ people to shut their mouths, and then we will go after the JUDO people and have our REVENGE!!!!!!!!!! BOO HA HA HA HA! (sadistic laughter) JAPANESE JUJUTSU WILL BE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
shanemm Posted September 10, 2003 Posted September 10, 2003 no jujutsu won't beat Judo cause... "Jujustu, the art of self protection Judo, the art of self perfection" judoinfo.com in todays god forbid non politically correct world unless your very careful(or gentle)in how you use your martial arts training you could end up behind bars. in which case you haven't won the fight. a judoka's mind-set isn't "how can i defend myself" it's "how can i settle this smoothly and be gentle so that neither of us has to get seriously injured". while it may be true you can beat a judoka in the ring(or may not be true i will not say any more), in a real life situation I(opinion) feel that judo is more condusive to modern day needs. There are two types of people in the world. Those that find excuses and those that find a way.-Unknown
Treebranch Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 Great articles! Noting that the period in which this took place was for the most part very peaceful, this was truely a contest. Judo is great and Kano was nothing short of a genius. Although, there was no mention of striking which Jujutsu of old had plenty of. This period of Japan would have probably been forbidden dirty fighting in competition. Old Jujutsu is really dirty and has lots of brutal strikes in it. I see alot of Jujutsu today with almost no strikes in it and it really is an imcomplete art without strikes. Not to take away from Judo, but it's not at all what it was in Kano's day and Jujutsu really is making a comeback. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
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